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Old 09-23-2007, 03:08 AM    (permalink
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Didn't Raji redshirt this year?
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Okay, here's my current Cowboys mock. It's a wierd one, so brace yourself.

1a. Early Doucet, WR, LSU
1b. Terrell Thomas, CB, USC
2. B.J. Raji, NT, Boston College
3. Craig Steltz, S, LSU
4. Justin Forsett, RB, Cal
5. Matt Flynn, QB, LSU
6. Brian Witherspoon, CB, Stillman
7. Demetrius Bell, OT, Northwestern St. (LA)
Only pick I support right there is Terrell Thomas. He's my favorite CB in the draft.
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Only pick I support right there is Terrell Thomas. He's my favorite CB in the draft.
Pac 10 bias?

But really what puts him over a guy like Cason in your opinion.

I'm curious to see your top 5 or so corners in college football. I wanna see your rankings. I'll get mine up right after yours. I just don't wanna influence you :P
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1a. LT Jake Long - Could single handedly put our OL into the Elite Category and make Romo a perrenial Pro Bowler.

1b. CB Terrell Thomas - Physical aggressive corner that understands how to play the game. Puts himself in good position and has great instinct. Good in run support, great open field tackler and not a liability in coverage. He's perfect for WP's scheme, imo. Reminds me of Antrel Rolle at Miami.

2. WR Adarius Bowman - Physical specimen. #1 potential. Polished.

3. NT Red Bryant - One word. Intense.

4. RB Ray Rice - He'll be criticized for being undersized and should fall to the fourth round. He could go higher, but I'm yet convinced. Other juniors that declare will have an impact.

-- I don't like to go beyond Round 4.
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Pac 10 bias?

But really what puts him over a guy like Cason in your opinion.

I'm curious to see your top 5 or so corners in college football. I wanna see your rankings. I'll get mine up right after yours. I just don't wanna influence you :P
I just said he's my favorite. Rankings are different.

I do think he's a good fit for our defensive philosophy.

Rankings? Here's a shot in the dark.

If I'm Wade Phillips...

1. Terrell Thomas
2. Aqib Talib
3. Reggie Smith
4. Chevis Jackson
5. Malcolm Jenkins
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Current CB rankings

1. Justin King, Penn State
2. Aqib Talib, Kansas
3. Antoine Cason, Arizona
4. Reggie Smith, Oklahoma
5. Terrell Thomas, USC
6. Zack Bowman, Nebraska
7. Jack Ikegwuonu, Wisconsin

King is the only guy I've seen this year that could match up against anyone in the NFL and shut them down.

Talib is your classic physical guy...but he has great hips.

Cason is about a solid as you can get...I see him about the same as Leon Hall a little better athleticism but not quite as instinctive.

Smith is raw but if he puts it together would look nice.

Thomas has some injury concerns. He reminds me of Rolle out of miami just with injury concerns..

Bowman would be the top corner in the draft had he been healthy this year. Everything comes down too if he lost any athleticism with those injuries.

Ikegwuonu has those questionable character concerns. But is another big physical corner that is playing great this year.
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Current CB rankings

1. Justin King, Penn State
2. Aqib Talib, Kansas
3. Antoine Cason, Arizona
4. Reggie Smith, Oklahoma
5. Terrell Thomas, USC
6. Zack Bowman, Nebraska
7. Jack Ikegwuonu, Wisconsin

King is the only guy I've seen this year that could match up against anyone in the NFL and shut them down.

Talib is your classic physical guy...but he has great hips.

Cason is about a solid as you can get...I see him about the same as Leon Hall a little better athleticism but not quite as instinctive.

Smith is raw but if he puts it together would look nice.

Thomas has some injury concerns. He reminds me of Rolle out of miami just with injury concerns..

Bowman would be the top corner in the draft had he been healthy this year. Everything comes down too if he lost any athleticism with those injuries.

Ikegwuonu has those questionable character concerns. But is another big physical corner that is playing great this year.
Pretty good list there. I left out Cason cause I don't want to include anyone under 190 pounds. Bowman just doesn't look the same so far this year though he's got the frame and athleticism to make something of himself.

I know you like King as you've stated for a while now. I dunno. I'm not sold just yet.
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As much as CB looks like a big need this coming draft, I personally think the need has only been magnified by TNew's injury. Without the injury we have two very good CB's who are both still in there 20's(Henry might be 30 this year) and a bunch of "good enough to play in certain situations" type players. Sure it would be nice to have a rotation of three GREAT cb's... But they cant all be on the field at the same time for a majority of the plays. And we have too much money invested in Henry to be thinking he can be nothing but a NB...

Just my two cents.

Looking at DT prospects...

Seeing as Im on the other side of the planet... Is there anyone willing to do some decent updates on some of the prototypical 3-4 NT's this year?

Just looking at this sites rankings(well. Ok just looking at the names with there height and weight) and names that stood out for me...

BJ. Raji 6-1 340
Frank Morton 6-2 331
Henry Smith 6-3 315


Theres also a few 6-5 fellas... But they might be a bit tall...
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As much as CB looks like a big need this coming draft, I personally think the need has only been magnified by TNew's injury. Without the injury we have two very good CB's who are both still in there 20's(Henry might be 30 this year) and a bunch of "good enough to play in certain situations" type players. Sure it would be nice to have a rotation of three GREAT cb's... But they cant all be on the field at the same time for a majority of the plays. And we have too much money invested in Henry to be thinking he can be nothing but a NB...

Just my two cents.

Looking at DT prospects...

Seeing as Im on the other side of the planet... Is there anyone willing to do some decent updates on some of the prototypical 3-4 NT's this year?

Just looking at this sites rankings(well. Ok just looking at the names with there height and weight) and names that stood out for me...

BJ. Raji 6-1 340
Frank Morton 6-2 331
Henry Smith 6-3 315


Theres also a few 6-5 fellas... But they might be a bit tall...
We def. need a CB. Henry could still start next season...a first round corner doesnt have to start. Reeves and Jones arent good at all...ST's i like em sure but, neither is much of a corner and Reeves is a horrible fit for Wade's D...he is god awful in man coverage. Our depth is just flat out awful.
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OSU's Malcolm Jenkins looked good yesterday, made a couple nice deflections. Seems to have the size that Wade likes
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My latest Draft thoughts....first of all noone knows which teams will finish where. But lets just take a look at the winless teams in the NFL.
Miami
Buffalo
STL
Atlanta
New Orleans

Looking at that breakdown I notice one huge thing. All these teams have drafted running backs in the top 5 except the Falcons....needless to say ATL has bigger needs at this point LT and QB.

So lets say we draft as it is today and are sitting a the 6th pick. It's safe to say...pending trades that Darren McFadden is on the board. At this pick in the draft no way in the world you pass. McFadden will make us elite. Is a good pair with MB3...I would be just fine with this pick.

Now we are at pick 28 in the draft...I know...no superbowl :( But it's ok....now this is a lot of projection here...so I'm going to go off of needs. We all could agree that Spears hasn't stepped up and we need to replace him. The funny thing is the number one rated DE by half the scouts in the world could still be available. Chris Long is a stud...and if you haven't made it into the Chris Long thread in the 2008 draft topic section...take a look there. Me and Toonster have been battling it out and the more I talk about him the more I just love his fit. If Chris Long is on the board with our second pick it is a no brainer.

Now we are sitting deep in the 2nd round. We have still yet to address our biggest need. Well looks for 4-5 top JR. CB's to come out this year...it sounds like a lot but this class is so weak I think we'll see them fall into here. Terrell Thomas is a good look but will probably go early to mid 2nd at this point. Cason is long gone...basically 5 or 6 CB's will likely be gone. At this point we are going to Gamble...give us Zack Bowman. I know you guys are probably getting sick of this...but if he times anywhere near what he did before the knee injuries we have ourselves a steal. I put him around the sub 4.5 range right now and if he makes it he should be right in this range. With his size and ball skills he would be a great fit for our defense.

I'm going to go with my trendy but never boring shifty WR here. With this WR class so deep it's hard to believe tons of JR. WR's will declare. But Jarrett Dillard is an exception. I mean who would want to waste another year in that college....could his status really get any higher? For those of you who don't know about him...Dillard was an Associated Press All-America second team selection and a Biletnikoff Award finalist in 2006. He finished the season with a Rice single-season record 91 receptions. He has had 12 consecutive games with a touchdown reception, which ties an NCAA single-season record and extends Dillard's overall streak to 14 games dating back to the 2005 season. He trails only Pittsburgh's Larry Fitzgerald, who caught a touchdown in 18 straight games....If he declares I will be calling for him...think Marvin Harrison.

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1. Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas
1. Chris Long, DE, Virginia
2. Zack Bowman, CB, Nebraska
3. Jarett Dillard, WR, Rice
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This is a great time to take a flyer on a developmental corner. We've got Newman locked down at one spot, Henry should be solid for another couple of years, and Reeves, although not superb, can hold up on the nickel and spot start. That allows us to bring in a corner in the 1st or 2nd round who doesn't have to play that much, but who can get gradually worked in and be ready to replace Henry in a couple of years.

I understand the reasoning in your scenario Thule, but I can't imagine Darren McFadden falling past #3 in the draft: if he does, someone will want to go up and get him. Not to be critical, but in my mind, if we do want McFadden, we're going to have to go up and get him.
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My latest Draft thoughts....first of all noone knows which teams will finish where. But lets just take a look at the winless teams in the NFL.
Miami
Buffalo
STL
Atlanta
New Orleans

Looking at that breakdown I notice one huge thing. All these teams have drafted running backs in the top 5 except the Falcons....needless to say ATL has bigger needs at this point LT and QB.

So lets say we draft as it is today and are sitting a the 6th pick. It's safe to say...pending trades that Darren McFadden is on the board. At this pick in the draft no way in the world you pass. McFadden will make us elite. Is a good pair with MB3...I would be just fine with this pick.

Now we are at pick 28 in the draft...I know...no superbowl :( But it's ok....now this is a lot of projection here...so I'm going to go off of needs. We all could agree that Spears hasn't stepped up and we need to replace him. The funny thing is the number one rated DE by half the scouts in the world could still be available. Chris Long is a stud...and if you haven't made it into the Chris Long thread in the 2008 draft topic section...take a look there. Me and Toonster have been battling it out and the more I talk about him the more I just love his fit. If Chris Long is on the board with our second pick it is a no brainer.

Now we are sitting deep in the 2nd round. We have still yet to address our biggest need. Well looks for 4-5 top JR. CB's to come out this year...it sounds like a lot but this class is so weak I think we'll see them fall into here. Terrell Thomas is a good look but will probably go early to mid 2nd at this point. Cason is long gone...basically 5 or 6 CB's will likely be gone. At this point we are going to Gamble...give us Zack Bowman. I know you guys are probably getting sick of this...but if he times anywhere near what he did before the knee injuries we have ourselves a steal. I put him around the sub 4.5 range right now and if he makes it he should be right in this range. With his size and ball skills he would be a great fit for our defense.

I'm going to go with my trendy but never boring shifty WR here. With this WR class so deep it's hard to believe tons of JR. WR's will declare. But Jarrett Dillard is an exception. I mean who would want to waste another year in that college....could his status really get any higher? For those of you who don't know about him...Dillard was an Associated Press All-America second team selection and a Biletnikoff Award finalist in 2006. He finished the season with a Rice single-season record 91 receptions. He has had 12 consecutive games with a touchdown reception, which ties an NCAA single-season record and extends Dillard's overall streak to 14 games dating back to the 2005 season. He trails only Pittsburgh's Larry Fitzgerald, who caught a touchdown in 18 straight games....If he declares I will be calling for him...think Marvin Harrison.

Draft
1. Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas
1. Chris Long, DE, Virginia
2. Zack Bowman, CB, Nebraska
3. Jarett Dillard, WR, Rice
McFadden WILL NOT get past Miami, Buffalo or Atlanta... Ronnie Brown might be good but there offence went better when Brown was spelling Ricky two years ago. They wont pass up the opportunity of a two back system unless they dont have the cap room. Buffalo traded McGahee and regardless of how well Henry plays... He aint no McFadden. and Atlanta will take any help at this point. If a QB is on the board when they select. They take that. If not. They will go BPA... Way way too many holes for them to get choosy at that position.
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McFadden WILL NOT get past Miami, Buffalo or Atlanta... Ronnie Brown might be good but there offence went better when Brown was spelling Ricky two years ago. They wont pass up the opportunity of a two back system unless they dont have the cap room. Buffalo traded McGahee and regardless of how well Henry plays... He aint no McFadden. and Atlanta will take any help at this point. If a QB is on the board when they select. They take that. If not. They will go BPA... Way way too many holes for them to get choosy at that position.
Buffalo has Lynch...they arent in the RB market.

Teams looking at RB

Dolphins
Texans (we'll pick before them)
Raiders
Giants
Falcons
Lions (maybe)
Titans (maybe)
Cowboys

Most of these teams have a glaring need a WR as well.
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Wide Receiver...I still dont think we need one, in the upcoming draft. W/ Crayton's finger injury, we should see more Sam Hurd in the upcoming weeks...I love his upside, he has a little Crayton and T.O. inside of him. Isiah is learning every day in practice and has a very interesting skill set. Coaches and former cowboys have had nothing but, good things to say about him. Then theres Miles...loads of talent but, still very raw...he's learning from some of the best and the coaches obviously like him. T.O. may be 33 but, he is still one of the most dynamic players in the league...when his contract is up, I see a return to the Cowboys. We have plenty of talent at the position...I really dont think it needs to be addressed at all.
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If we're looking into the future, what would you want to see happen the most?

1. Ken Hamlin re-signs and stays on as our starting FS.

2. Let Hamlin walk and start Pat Watkins who has looked great in the preseason and early in the year.

3. Draft a FS in the first...ala, Kenny Phillips.
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If we're looking into the future, what would you want to see happen the most?
1. Ken Hamlin re-signs and stays on as our starting FS.
2. Let Hamlin walk and start Pat Watkins who has looked great in the preseason and early in the year.
3. Draft a FS in the first...ala, Kenny Phillips.
Honestly, Jake Long looks like the best bet. Flo is too much of penalty machine and Long really is an amazing prospect.

Late 1st go bpa in the DB group. Likely CB.

2nd or third go WR/RB/CB. 4 through 7 address the big fat guys.
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1a. LT Jake Long - Could single handedly put our OL into the Elite Category and make Romo a perrenial Pro Bowler.

1b. CB Terrell Thomas - Physical aggressive corner that understands how to play the game. Puts himself in good position and has great instinct. Good in run support, great open field tackler and not a liability in coverage. He's perfect for WP's scheme, imo. Reminds me of Antrel Rolle at Miami.

2. WR Adarius Bowman - Physical specimen. #1 potential. Polished.

3. NT Red Bryant - One word. Intense.

4. RB Ray Rice - He'll be criticized for being undersized and should fall to the fourth round. He could go higher, but I'm yet convinced. Other juniors that declare will have an impact.

-- I don't like to go beyond Round 4.
Hey Rob,
You must've seen my mock. ha ha.

Only think I don't like about that mock is the lack of addressing DE. Last week Dorsey really impressed me. I'm thinking that he can be a DE in our scheme very easily. I may move him ahead of Long just because OT is so deep and the fact that we have Free.

Anyone else besides me think Free could take over OG duties (preferrably for Kosier) and make it a career at OG?

Next mock, to be released today. Right now, I gotta take a dump.
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Hey Rob,
You must've seen my mock. ha ha.

Only think I don't like about that mock is the lack of addressing DE. Last week Dorsey really impressed me. I'm thinking that he can be a DE in our scheme very easily. I may move him ahead of Long just because OT is so deep and the fact that we have Free.

Anyone else besides me think Free could take over OG duties (preferrably for Kosier) and make it a career at OG?

Next mock, to be released today. Right now, I gotta take a dump.
You hit it. I saw it but really did not think too mch about it.

I struggle with the Jake Long thing.

First, I think he will grade an 8.0 and be considered the best prospect. If you get him 3/4/5 with Cleveland's pick. Damn hard to pass up given Flo. I know Free and Marten and Proctor and McQuistan but frankly those 4 will fight for Kosier and Colombo's spots.

Second, I like Phillips/Long/DMac early 1 but really who else? Dorsey? Ug, another LSU DL bust?? I know everyone loves him but I have yet to see 1 LSU DL make it big. Every year they have someone who is considered "Top Ten DL talent" and then stuff happens. Like Texas DLs. I think with DL it is a system thing with LSU.

Third, I think trade down with Cleveland's pick if not DMac, Jake or Phillips. If we could swap 1s and pick up one or two more picks in the top 90 -- I am game.

Love Bowman or M Kelley at WR in the second. Would love even more Jenkins from SFU at CB.
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Free could move inside...but why take the cat from where he is best. Free has some of the best footwork I've ever seen. That's why he was so great on the outside this year. He glides effortlessly out there. His problem was with his hands. He got a good initial punch on people but after that he had a problem. This is why Ware abused him...(we all know Ware kills tackles that don't lock on to him) But Free owned everyone else. With a little technique work and a offseason of weights Free is going to impress. If we were in the same position last year I would have loved to take Thomas. But Thomas is in another league...Long isn't on that level.

The only reason I could see us bringing in Long is on the right side. We signed Columbo to a mediocre deal. If Free isn't progressed as much as we want him too then let him sit and learn. Put Long in at LT but shift him over in a year or two. This would make sense to me...but then you essentially right off Marten. With Marten's roadgrinding like mentality and horrendous footwork...I actually think he would be moved inside first.
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You hit it. I saw it but really did not think too mch about it.

I struggle with the Jake Long thing.

First, I think he will grade an 8.0 and be considered the best prospect. If you get him 3/4/5 with Cleveland's pick. Damn hard to pass up given Flo. I know Free and Marten and Proctor and McQuistan but frankly those 4 will fight for Kosier and Colombo's spots.

Second, I like Phillips/Long/DMac early 1 but really who else? Dorsey? Ug, another LSU DL bust?? I know everyone loves him but I have yet to see 1 LSU DL make it big. Every year they have someone who is considered "Top Ten DL talent" and then stuff happens. Like Texas DLs. I think with DL it is a system thing with LSU.

Third, I think trade down with Cleveland's pick if not DMac, Jake or Phillips. If we could swap 1s and pick up one or two more picks in the top 90 -- I am game.

Love Bowman or M Kelley at WR in the second. Would love even more Jenkins from SFU at CB.
I got to agree with you on our first pick. The area of talent just doesn't seem worth it outside of Long and DMAC...phillips is in the 10-15 range for me atm. Players have a great chance to put themselves in the top 10 with good workouts aka Calais Campbell..but those players aren't putting up top 10 like numbers or playing like it to any point.

We are on the same level with Bowman and Kelly...I just wonder what Kelly will time in the 40...more or less what his 10 yard split is.

Jenkins looks good. But at this point I wouldn't touch him in the first round. I think he would be a good fit for us...and get some time to sit and learn even. But no way he could come in and start on the outside in the nickel. Unfortunetely he is a bit of a project...and Reeves would still be superior to him in that regaurd. I just think we need to get us a guy who has upside...but is still an upgrade over Reeves.
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Hey Rob,
You must've seen my mock. ha ha.

Only think I don't like about that mock is the lack of addressing DE. Last week Dorsey really impressed me. I'm thinking that he can be a DE in our scheme very easily. I may move him ahead of Long just because OT is so deep and the fact that we have Free.

Anyone else besides me think Free could take over OG duties (preferrably for Kosier) and make it a career at OG?

Next mock, to be released today. Right now, I gotta take a dump.
I dont have a doubt in my mind that Free could make a living, playing inside. He's played G before due to injuries at NIU and he was effective. He's also packed on a few and his strength has said to have increased. That being said, his upside at T may be too great to make him a G, though. He is great against pass rushers and has very quick feet. He could be a special T, he has all the tools. Perhaps, Long becomes too much to pass up but, personally...I hope we stick w/ Free and see what this kid could do.
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Free could move inside...but why take the cat from where he is best. Free has some of the best footwork I've ever seen. That's why he was so great on the outside this year. He glides effortlessly out there. His problem was with his hands. He got a good initial punch on people but after that he had a problem. This is why Ware abused him...(we all know Ware kills tackles that don't lock on to him) But Free owned everyone else. With a little technique work and a offseason of weights Free is going to impress. If we were in the same position last year I would have loved to take Thomas. But Thomas is in another league...Long isn't on that level.

The only reason I could see us bringing in Long is on the right side. We signed Columbo to a mediocre deal. If Free isn't progressed as much as we want him too then let him sit and learn. Put Long in at LT but shift him over in a year or two. This would make sense to me...but then you essentially right off Marten. With Marten's roadgrinding like mentality and horrendous footwork...I actually think he would be moved inside first.
Most folks think Long is better than Thomas... at least at draft time last year.

I see Long play and think Anthony Munoz. Makes it look easy.
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Most folks think Long is better than Thomas... at least at draft time last year.

I see Long play and think Anthony Munoz. Makes it look easy.
It's easy to say that when one guy didn't go through the extensive offseason. I was extremely high on Thomas...even had him rated high than Gallery all time. I just don't think Long is in the group. I would put him on the same level as DBrick which kind of sounds funny. He is almost a complete flop of what DBrick is for me. Great run blocker...average pass blocker.
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I know I'm in the minority but I believe in the Jimmy Johnson theory of never drafting a O.L. early in the draft. Give me Mcfadden and he will make your line better, just like when Emmitt got here our line was considered one of the worst in the league. He turned alot of those guys into Pro Bowlers. Late first give me Malcom Kelly. Mmmm gives me goose bumps just thinking about it.
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