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Old 09-12-2007, 07:44 PM    (permalink
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but we were supposed to get demolished by Dallas, and it was one helluva game.

i'm surprised in this confidence, as honestly, at the beginning of the year, i had this game pinned for an "easy" win for us. the injuries complicate it but still...
You act like this is the first time you've talked to a Packers fan.
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You act like this is the first time you've talked to a Packers fan.
well i went to green bay once. i couldnt really hear the fans at lambeau cuz i had earmuffs on... although i did hear all the boos...

but this is the first time i've actually eve had to argue with packers fans, you being a bears fan must do it regularly.
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but we were supposed to get demolished by Dallas, and it was one helluva game.

i'm surprised in this confidence, as honestly, at the beginning of the year, i had this game pinned for an "easy" win for us. the injuries complicate it but still...
What this game?
Your crazy if you thought it was going to be an easy win for the Giants. Once again Green Bay's defense is on a whole nother level than NY's. And our offense is that much worse. As we saw last week, GB went against a top notch D, NY against an injured one.
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Well, I think it has to do with adjusting to the new scheme, but point taken. I have a feeling our defense will progress during the season. Honestly, it really fits some of our players better than others. Gibril Wilson looked great out there. Not only was he going down hill, but he also seemed improved in coverage. Webster looked pretty decent in the press coverage. Justin Tuck was pretty solid too.

Overall, I think our defense will do much better against the Packers. Witten was a really tough challenge for Kiwi to cover, but I don't suspect Bubba will be. Hopefully Aaron Ross can step up and take over for McQuarters because I think he too fits the scheme better.
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You act like this is the first time you've talked to a Packers fan.
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Eh, I haven't seen this kind of confidence from Packers fans since cheese heads went on sale at Lambeau Field.

Heh, seriously though. Hasn't anyone ever learned that there is no such thing as an easy win in the NFL? Apparently not.

If Eli doesn't start, I don't think that's game over for us. Granted, I'd be a lot more confident in our team if he was in the game, as opposed to Jared - but I think our offensive line will give him some time to set up and throw the ball down field.
Eh, your passing game will be thrown off balance a lot more than you believe... if some time means enough for a 3 or maybe 5 step drop? then yes. and that's honestly gonna be the only way the giants are going to be effective in the passing game... woodson and harris (assuming harris is 'alright' enough) are both good enough corners for plax, and kamp and jenkins are good regardless of who's o-line their playing and still make plays...

i do expect shockey to have some good gains...

and still, your defense would be better with 11 osi's...
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What this game?
Your crazy if you thought it was going to be an easy win for the Giants. Once again Green Bay's defense is on a whole nother level than NY's. And our offense is that much worse. As we saw last week, GB went against a top notch D, NY against an injured one.
our DE's our just as good if not better than yours, deeper as well. At MLB, we both have studs, but Pierce probably gets the edge. Hawk is better than any OLB we have, but i take Mitchell over Popinga any day. Your CB's blow ours away, but Gibril is better than any safety you have, and well butler sucked last game and needs time(lots by the looks of it.)
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well i went to green bay once. i couldnt really hear the fans at lambeau cuz i had earmuffs on... although i did hear all the boos...

but this is the first time i've actually eve had to argue with packers fans, you being a bears fan must do it regularly.
Ha. Boos? Are you sure you were at Lambeau Field? Not that **** stadium to the west? The only time I've ever heard boos at a Packer game are on **** calls, or when Tim Couch played in preseason.
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Ha. Boos? Are you sure you were at Lambeau Field? Not that **** stadium to the west? The only time I've ever heard boos at a Packer game are on **** calls, or when Tim Couch played in preseason.
i heard boos last season, against the jets(i was rooting for the packers)
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our DE's our just as good if not better than yours, deeper as well. At MLB, we both have studs, but Pierce probably gets the edge. Hawk is better than any OLB we have, but i take Mitchell over Popinga any day. Your CB's blow ours away, but Gibril is better than any safety you have, and well butler sucked last game and needs time(lots by the looks of it.)
I think i could easily make a case that Kampman is the best DE in the NFL, based on last year atleast when he led all DE's in sacks (merrimen ofcourse is a 3-4OLB)
Cullen Jenkins is a rising star and is good against the run. KGB still provides a good pass rusher and did a good job of keeping McNabb from breaking off a big run against us as he always seems to. (But maybe because of McNabb's injury that slowed him down)
Overall on Dline green bay is better, way more depth and talent at DT. And close at DE. Gibril is head and shoulders over the packers S's, but I expect Collins to improve alot this year and hopefully Atari will show some flashes (had 9 tackles last week, but that says almost nothing about his coverage ability)
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i heard boos last season, against the jets(i was rooting for the packers)
god i remember that game, pissed me off so much!
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god i remember that game, pissed me off so much!
worst weekend ever.

it was great going to Lambeau with my brother, dad and grandpa, staying in a sweet hotel, but the pack got spanked, Rutgers lost in in OT and we watched on TV, and after the pack game, the giants blew it to dallass. great time, but awful sports results haha
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worst weekend ever.

it was great going to Lambeau with my brother, dad and grandpa, staying in a sweet hotel, but the pack got spanked, Rutgers lost in in OT and we watched on TV, and after the pack game, the giants blew it to dallass. great time, but awful sports results haha
luckily the pack game i went to we won, but we stayed in an average hotel. before that we were in chicago, that was fun, except for the large amount of bears fans
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our DE's our just as good if not better than yours, deeper as well. At MLB, we both have studs, but Pierce probably gets the edge. Hawk is better than any OLB we have, but i take Mitchell over Popinga any day. Your CB's blow ours away, but Gibril is better than any safety you have, and well butler sucked last game and needs time(lots by the looks of it.)
Alright, lets take a look. I'm not 100% sure on your depth chart so I took it off of here, let me know if there are any notable mistakes. Also since he's not looking like he'll play I won't put Osi down, but for the record Kampman is better than him. Starters in bold.

DE 1 - Kampman vs Strahan - Advantage Green Bay.
DE 2 - Jenkins vs Tuck (?, I think he'd start, right?)- Advantage GB
DE 3 - Gbaja-Biamila vs Awasom - Ad. GB
DT 1 - Pickett vs Cofield - GB
DT 2 - Jolly vs Robins - GB
DT 3 - Williams vs Alford - GB
DT 4 - Cole vs Wright - GB
DT 5 - Harrell vs Davis - GB
WLB - Hawk vs Mitchell - GB
MLB - Barnett vs Pierce - GB
SLB - Poppinga vs Kiwanuka - NY (I think it could really go either way, but I'll give it to you)
OLB - White vs Torbor - Toss up
MLB - Bishop vs Blackburn- NY
CB 1 -Harris vs Webster - GB
CB 2 - Woodson vs McQuarters - GB
CB 3 - Bush vs Madison - NY
CB 4 Blackmon vs Ross - NY
CB 5 - Dockery vs Walker - NY
FS - Collins vs Wilson - NY
SS - Bigby vs Butler - NY
S - Rouse vs Johnson- Toss up
S - Peprah vs Dahl - Toss up

If you would like an explanation on any of them just ask.
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barnett and pierce are even, if not edge Pierce. if Osi was in, i think he's better than kampman, but probably even because of Osi's injuries, but still, kampan isn't more talented than Osi, or productive.

also, dont know much about Jolly, but Robbins could give him a run for his money. now i know hawk is way better than Mitchell, but in coverage, he is WAY ahead of hawk.. i agree for the most part, and it is pretty even
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barnett and pierce are even, if not edge Pierce. if Osi was in, i think he's better than kampman, but probably even because of Osi's injuries, but still, kampan isn't more talented than Osi, or productive.

also, dont know much about Jolly, but Robbins could give him a run for his money. now i know hawk is way better than Mitchell, but in coverage, he is WAY ahead of hawk.. i agree for the most part, and it is pretty even
I'm not sure where you're getting the productive part from. Kampman led all DEs in sacks last year.
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barnett and pierce are even, if not edge Pierce. if Osi was in, i think he's better than kampman, but probably even because of Osi's injuries, but still, kampan isn't more talented than Osi, or productive.

also, dont know much about Jolly, but Robbins could give him a run for his money. now i know hawk is way better than Mitchell, but in coverage, he is WAY ahead of hawk.. i agree for the most part, and it is pretty even
Kampman isn't productive?????? He was 2nd in sacks behind Merriman.
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I'm not sure where you're getting the productive part from. Kampman led all DEs in sacks last year.
yea, but one year. Osi was pretty dominant his 1st 2 years. I'm taking nothing at all away from kampman, he's a stud, but i feel he and Osi are equal(this also may be Osi is my favorite player and i have him on speed dial talking..)
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barnett and pierce are even, if not edge Pierce. if Osi was in, i think he's better than kampman, but probably even because of Osi's injuries, but still, kampan isn't more talented than Osi, or productive.

also, dont know much about Jolly, but Robbins could give him a run for his money. now i know hawk is way better than Mitchell, but in coverage, he is WAY ahead of hawk.. i agree for the most part, and it is pretty even
Valid points, the other thing I have a problem with is when you say "now i know hawk is way better than Mitchell, but in coverage, he is WAY ahead of hawk.. " Hawk is good in coverage, and while I haven't seen much of Mitchell I'm pretty sure he's no Urlacher. I wouldn't say Mitchell has better coverage to begin with, but certainly not "WAY" better.
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Alright before I say anything just know that I am likely going to pick the Packers in the pick'em....might change if Eli plays but even then I may give the edge to the Pack.

Just know this....these are the kind of games that the Giants usually come out and win. Home opener (emotional, intense) coming off a horrific game in front of a national audience. I expect the likes of Strahan, Robbins, and Pierce all have to huge games against a mediocre at best offensive line. Our D was awful because didn't get any pressure on the QB, which will change because our D-line matches up better this week in the trenches.

Offensively....something confuses me. All I hear from EVERYONE all offseason is that Jacobs is not a capable back. And now all of the sudden, his being out is a huge factor? Interesting. Ward has done nothing but impress whenever he has gotten to opportunity to run with the ball in his hands, so don't overlook him. And don't forget we still have 4 capable targets, no matter who is throwing the ball and an O-line that dominated a much better pass rush than yours.

Again, I think we'll lose if Eli is out, but it will be a dogfight. Much like your game last week.
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lol at Dallas having a better pass rush, theres a reason they drafted Spencer
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Your crazy if you thought it was going to be an easy win for the Giants. Once again Green Bay's defense is on a whole nother level than NY's. And our offense is that much worse. As we saw last week, GB went against a top notch D, NY against an injured one.
You went up against a top notch Eagles D and scored 3 points. Eagles lost that game. You didn't win it. If Andy Reid had anyone on that team who had fielded a punt in their career, Eagles walk out of Green Bay with a win.
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Alright, lets take a look. I'm not 100% sure on your depth chart so I took it off of here, let me know if there are any notable mistakes. Also since he's not looking like he'll play I won't put Osi down, but for the record Kampman is better than him. Starters in bold.

DE 1 - Kampman vs Strahan - Advantage Green Bay.
DE 2 - Jenkins vs Tuck (?, I think he'd start, right?)- Advantage GB
DE 3 - Gbaja-Biamila vs Awasom - Ad. GB
DT 1 - Pickett vs Cofield - GB
DT 2 - Jolly vs Robins - GB
DT 3 - Williams vs Alford - GB
DT 4 - Cole vs Wright - GB
DT 5 - Harrell vs Davis - GB
WLB - Hawk vs Mitchell - GB
MLB - Barnett vs Pierce - GB
SLB - Poppinga vs Kiwanuka - NY (I think it could really go either way, but I'll give it to you)
OLB - White vs Torbor - Toss up
MLB - Bishop vs Blackburn- NY
CB 1 -Harris vs Webster - GB
CB 2 - Woodson vs McQuarters - GB
CB 3 - Bush vs Madison - NY
CB 4 Blackmon vs Ross - NY
CB 5 - Dockery vs Walker - NY
FS - Collins vs Wilson - NY
SS - Bigby vs Butler - NY
S - Rouse vs Johnson- Toss up
S - Peprah vs Dahl - Toss up

If you would like an explanation on any of them just ask.
The game makes so much more sense now. Thanks for the explanation.
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Alright before I say anything just know that I am likely going to pick the Packers in the pick'em....might change if Eli plays but even then I may give the edge to the Pack.

Just know this....these are the kind of games that the Giants usually come out and win. Home opener (emotional, intense) coming off a horrific game in front of a national audience. I expect the likes of Strahan, Robbins, and Pierce all have to huge games against a mediocre at best offensive line. Our D was awful because didn't get any pressure on the QB, which will change because our D-line matches up better this week in the trenches.

Offensively....something confuses me. All I hear from EVERYONE all offseason is that Jacobs is not a capable back. And now all of the sudden, his being out is a huge factor? Interesting. Ward has done nothing but impress whenever he has gotten to opportunity to run with the ball in his hands, so don't overlook him. And don't forget we still have 4 capable targets, no matter who is throwing the ball and an O-line that dominated a much better pass rush than yours.

Again, I think we'll lose if Eli is out, but it will be a dogfight. Much like your game last week.
Well said.

I still never pick against the Packers in the Pick em though. I pick 16 GB wins per year.
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