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Old 09-19-2007, 11:18 PM    (permalink
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Dallas' defense is so incredibly overrated. I've been hearing about how good and young they are for years now and they've never done ****.
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Dallas' defense is so incredibly overrated. I've been hearing about how good and young they are for years now and they've never done ****.
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Dallas' defense is so incredibly overrated. I've been hearing about how good and young they are for years now and they've never done ****.
agreed.

they've never been anything more than mediocre.
they have the same hype as eli manning did.
but spread over 9 people, a reformed thug, and a safety who can't cover.
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what was that about Detroit's D?
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Not only does Detroit have the worst defense in the NFL, they might have the worst defense in the history of the NFL.
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Not only does Detroit have the worst defense in the NFL, they might have the worst defense in the history of the NFL.
I wrong in thinking that our defense wasn't in the bottom five, but that is the most absurd statement I've read in my entire life. I don't see how our defense is any worse than Cleveland's or Buffalo's. I admit after today's performance that we are in the discussion for worst defense, but saying we have the worst defense in the history of the NFL after one freaking game is asinine.
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I wrong in thinking that our defense wasn't in the bottom five, but that is the most absurd statement I've read in my entire life. I don't see how our defense is any worse than Cleveland's or Buffalo's. I admit after today's performance that we are in the discussion for worst defense, but saying we have the worst defense in the history of the NFL after one freaking game is asinine.
It was a joke. I'm sure you're salty after watching the Lions get smacked but really...chill out.

That said...if Detroit isn't the worst D in the league....there's really not much of an argument against that statement. How are the Lions better than anyone else you mentioned? Their D-line is above average, Sims is pretty good, and the rest is below-average to terrible. To say that is "the most absurd statement I've ever read in my entire life" is funny. The difference between the Lions defense and putting absolutely nobody out there was minimal today. The Eagles could have scored 80 points had they not already been up by 3-4 touchdowns the entire game.
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It was a joke. I'm sure you're salty after watching the Lions get smacked but really...chill out.

That said...if Detroit isn't the worst D in the league....there's really not much of an argument against that statement. How are the Lions better than anyone else you mentioned? Their D-line is above average, Sims is pretty good, and the rest is below-average to terrible. To say that is "the most absurd statement I've ever read in my entire life" is funny. The difference between the Lions defense and putting absolutely nobody out there was minimal today. The Eagles could have scored 80 points had they not already been up by 3-4 touchdowns the entire game.
not true! Brian Westbrook accidentially bumped into a lions defender a bunch of times!
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The NFC East looks a lot tougher after that showing today from the Giants. The Cowboys are allowed 1 TD on defense in the past 2 weeks. The Redskins defense is nasty this year. The eagles I would put at average...but still not bad.
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Packers have held soap this year on defense. When we stopped the run we couldnt stop the pass and vice versa. We're still playing good D though. Bears have a ton of inujries. Minny struggled against the pass this week, their first week against elite competition
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Ha.

All of this talk about how horrible the Lions' defense is, yet Griese throws 3 INTs and the Bears get a total of 69 rushing yards.
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I think w/in 2-3 years the NFC North will be one of the best divisions in football. Vikes, Lions, Pack and Bears have the makings for good offenses, and like you said 3/4 of the teams have good defenses.
I don't know how you can say that. My Lions are faced with the possible jumping of Martz to another HCing position and Kitna is 35 and probably only has one more season before he hangs it up.
The Bears have an aging OL, no decent QB and now appear very average at RB.
GB's offense is built around Favre who is probably gone in 3 years. They also have a weak running game.
Finally, Minny has a suspect HC, and a very suspect QB.

I just don't see any long term potential for the NFC North as far as offense is concerned. We are going to remain near the bottom of divisions unless there is a remarkable increase in talent into the Division especially at QB.
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I don't know how you can say that. My Lions are faced with the possible jumping of Martz to another HCing position and Kitna is 35 and probably only has one more season before he hangs it up.
The Bears have an aging OL, no decent QB and now appear very average at RB.
GB's offense is built around Favre who is probably gone in 3 years. They also have a weak running game.
Finally, Minny has a suspect HC, and a very suspect QB.

I just don't see any long term potential for the NFC North as far as offense is concerned. We are going to remain near the bottom of divisions unless there is a remarkable increase in talent into the Division especially at QB.
It's basically impossible to predict how teams will be 3 years from now. With parity and free agency the way it is you can go from zero to hero in a couple years or vice versa.
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It's basically impossible to predict how teams will be 3 years from now. With parity and free agency the way it is you can go from zero to hero in a couple years or vice versa.
It's hard to predict anything in the NFL... but I think IAC has a good point.
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New question: are the Bears still the best defense in the division?

IMO, this year both the Pack and the Vikes have played better
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IMO, this year both the Pack and the Vikes have played better
Packers are the best this year, so far.

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IMO, this year both the Pack and the Vikes have played better
If healthy I think the Bears are still the best in the division. Without a doubt.
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Packers are the best this year, so far.

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Problem with saying that about the NFC North Defenses is they play each other and the Offenses in that Division suck with the exception of the Lions.
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Problem with saying that about the NFC North Defenses is they play each other and the Offenses in that Division suck with the exception of the Lions.
You know AD leads the league in rushing, right?
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Addict, I am not sure what Adrian Peterson has to do with the fact the Offenses in the NFC North stink -- which is why the NFC North Defenses are being over-rated somewhat. But I am sure you will explain.

Bears have no running game and have rotating QBs.
Greenbay has no running game --- unless they play the Bears.
Detroit has no running game.
Minnesota has no passing game or QB.

One example the Bears, stomped by Dallas, Minnesota and Detroit for over 30 points. Where dominated by Greenbay for one half.

Greenbay, does have a good D but what top flight Offense have they played so far? Giants? Eagles? San Diego? All those teams have been hot and cold on Offense. Greenbay has played them all when cold.

Detroit why bother.

Minnesota does stop the run but last in the pass. To boot what good offensive team have they played? Detroit is about as good as it gets. KC, Atl, CHi and GB don't count as quality offenses.

I think AFC South Defenses have something to say in this discussion. Avg Rank 9. 3 in the Top 8. AFC North has two in the top 5.

And if we want to pull out names in those Divisions: McGhee, McNair, Rothlesberger, Hines Ward, Parker, Carson Palmer, TJ, Harrison, Jacksonville's RBs, Peyton Mannig, Chad Johnson, Schaub, A Johnson ..............

NFC North is sadly not very good but getting better. If Chicago can regain form and the rest of the teams keep getting talent (as they have) then maybe next year ....
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Originally Posted by cowboysforever View Post
Addict, I am not sure what Adrian Peterson has to do with the fact the Offenses in the NFC North stink -- which is why the NFC North Defenses are being over-rated somewhat. But I am sure you will explain.

Bears have no running game and have rotating QBs.
Greenbay has no running game --- unless they play the Bears.
Detroit has no running game.
Minnesota has no passing game or QB.

One example the Bears, stomped by Dallas, Minnesota and Detroit for over 30 points. Where dominated by Greenbay for one half.

Greenbay, does have a good D but what top flight Offense have they played so far? Giants? Eagles? San Diego? All those teams have been hot and cold on Offense. Greenbay has played them all when cold.

Detroit why bother.

Minnesota does stop the run but last in the pass. To boot what good offensive team have they played? Detroit is about as good as it gets. KC, Atl, CHi and GB don't count as quality offenses.

I think AFC South Defenses have something to say in this discussion. Avg Rank 9. 3 in the Top 8. AFC North has two in the top 5.

And if we want to pull out names in those Divisions: McGhee, McNair, Rothlesberger, Hines Ward, Parker, Carson Palmer, TJ, Harrison, Jacksonville's RBs, Peyton Mannig, Chad Johnson, Schaub, A Johnson ..............

NFC North is sadly not very good but getting better. If Chicago can regain form and the rest of the teams keep getting talent (as they have) then maybe next year ....
well, you say 'offenses suck' yet the league's leading rusher (which is, if I'm not mistaken, offense) is in our division as well.

But yes, our defenses are overrated, but do keep in mind that the Lions' defense has been mediocre forever, the Bears are injury ravaged more than anything, Packers are still building and that the Vikes are bothered more than anyting by their lack of a pass rush.

I honestly believe the Pack is coming up right now, the Bears just need some more depth, the Vikes are one good pass rusher away and the Lions need some talent and some more defensive drafting.

Right now, they're overrated, but it's definately coming.
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