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Don't get me wrong, here. The argument about whether or not he deserved to go to the Pro Bowl last year is a completely different one.

My point is that he has been a whipping boy all offseason based upon a faulty premise. The guy had a 95 passer rating for crying out loud. That alone speaks for itself. He led the league in YPA and comp%, two of the most crucial stats for a QB. He was truly unbelievable for 6 games....and then he was merely "up and down" for the last 4. Yet, somehow, people were using that period (over which his passer rating would still have ranked in the middle of the league) to say that he didn't have much of a future in the league, or that he wasn't that good.

The guy had a great season. Sure, it was only 10 and 1/2 games, but it was an awesome season. The worst part was that the team's late season collapse, which was primarily attributable to the defense's horrid December play, was laid at Romo's feet. What happens to a QB when he is faced with a double digit lead in the second half of games? His efficiency usually goes down, and his mistakes go up.

Whether or not you think he deserved to go to the Pro Bowl (and he did, as soon as you can name me a quality alternative, then I'll begin to take your point seriously) there is no doubt that all the doom-and-gloom predictions for his future were unfounded. It would be an act of immaturity to contend anything different.
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Damn shame he plays for the cowgirls, that's all. He is the style of QB that i prefer most (mobile, gunslinger (ala Brett Favre)).

Anyway, i will wait to take my shots when Brady Quinn becomes the best QB in the league....;) (or at least better than Romo)
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I think Tony Romo is an above-average QB and has certainly played better than my expectations, but the problem with Romo that I have is every Cowboys fan thinking that Tony Romo is god. If Cowboys fans weren't so crazy about Romo I would be fine with him, but they talked about him being a top-5 QB after a little more than half a season as a starter. That is just ridiculous.
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Jeff Garcia did it with more games under his resume, with less offensive talent around him (skill positionwise), plus led his team a division title, not just a wildcard. He was more deserving last year.

So Id say Bulger, and Garcia. Hassellbeck played well after he came back from injury too, if you compare Romo's body of work last year to Hasselbeck's, it wasn't all that better if better at all. And in those situations, you give the veteran the benefit of the doubt.

3 Cowboys shouldn't have been PBers last year. Roy Williams, Romo, and Flozell Adams. The 3 Cowboys who were deserving in my eyes were Owens, Ware and Newman. Newman got snubbed.
Yeah I agree Newman got snubbed for sure. And Flozell and Roy had no business being there. But Garcia over Romo? Garcia only played in 8 games and their ratings were nearly identical. People knock Romo's appearance because he didn't play the full season. And I'm not so sure that our skill players were so much better than theirs. TO left a ton of production on the table. A lot of great plays by Romo were flushed down the drain. I think the disparity between the two o-lines is greater and more meaningful. Garcia had the easier job, imo, and didn't look definitively better than Romo. Wow, the team went 4-2 under Garcia last year. Brian Westbrook deserves more credit for those wins than Garcia does. That's who he leaned on. Hell, AJ Feeley looked just as good in that offense. I think part of the reason so many people felt that Romo deserved a pro-bowl bid was that we were winning games because of him. He wasn't losing games for us. Our defense, offensive line, conservative play calling and TO's hands were. No way did Garcia deserve it more than Romo last year. Are you serious about Hasselbeck? Being a veteran is meaningless. That's what gets guys like Roy and Flozell in there undeservedly. Romo was better. If Hasselbeck deserved it over Romo, then you should have no problem with Roy being in there. Just an off year for an established vet, right? And Bulger was in there, deservedly.
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once Brett Favre retires, John Madden's man crush shifts to Tony Romo... he was already gushing about him last night comparing him to Favre.
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I think Tony Romo is an above-average QB and has certainly played better than my expectations, but the problem with Romo that I have is every Cowboys fan thinking that Tony Romo is god. If Cowboys fans weren't so crazy about Romo I would be fine with him, but they talked about him being a top-5 QB after a little more than half a season as a starter. That is just ridiculous.
Well I wasn't one of those people, but can you blame them? How many QB's come into the league and look like a top 5 QB in half a season? We beat the super bowl champs with this guy at the helm. How would you feel if you had the statue lining up under center and then all of a sudden you have a real QB winning games for you? You must really hate VY (isagod). At least the majority of Romo's accolades have been deserved.
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Don't get me wrong, here. The argument about whether or not he deserved to go to the Pro Bowl last year is a completely different one.

My point is that he has been a whipping boy all offseason based upon a faulty premise. The guy had a 95 passer rating for crying out loud. That alone speaks for itself. He led the league in YPA and comp%, two of the most crucial stats for a QB. He was truly unbelievable for 6 games....and then he was merely "up and down" for the last 4. Yet, somehow, people were using that period (over which his passer rating would still have ranked in the middle of the league) to say that he didn't have much of a future in the league, or that he wasn't that good.

The guy had a great season. Sure, it was only 10 and 1/2 games, but it was an awesome season. The worst part was that the team's late season collapse, which was primarily attributable to the defense's horrid December play, was laid at Romo's feet. What happens to a QB when he is faced with a double digit lead in the second half of games? His efficiency usually goes down, and his mistakes go up.

Whether or not you think he deserved to go to the Pro Bowl (and he did, as soon as you can name me a quality alternative, then I'll begin to take your point seriously) there is no doubt that all the doom-and-gloom predictions for his future were unfounded. It would be an act of immaturity to contend anything different.
I don't know if he was so much of a whipping boy as you think he was. A lot of people, including myself, said they wanted to see him prove more, because there were times he looked shaky last year, and he only had a limited amount of games. He has looked great this year so far, no doubting that. But people just wanted to see him prove more, rather then annoint him immediatley. Of course there are a couple people who would doom him without a shot, thats the nature of how things work, just like people would readily crown him before he deserved to be.. But I don't think it was ridiculous to want to wait a little more before saying anything. And I would hardly say he was the whipping boy, many QBs were much more criticized then he was.
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Jeff Garcia did it with more games under his resume, with less offensive talent around him (skill positionwise), plus led his team a division title, not just a wildcard. He was more deserving last year.

So Id say Bulger, and Garcia. Hassellbeck played well after he came back from injury too, if you compare Romo's body of work last year to Hasselbeck's, it wasn't all that better if better at all. And in those situations, you give the veteran the benefit of the doubt.

3 Cowboys shouldn't have been PBers last year. Roy Williams, Romo, and Flozell Adams. The 3 Cowboys who were deserving in my eyes were Owens, Ware and Newman. Newman got snubbed.
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I'm shocked that you would make that contention, really. Romo's passer rating was nearly identical to Garcia's, so that argument is sixes. However, the PRIMARY contention in against Romo is that he didn't log a full season of work. Well, Garcia didn't even log half a season! Garcia was 5-1 in his games played....but Romo was exactly the same through is first 6, and was more impressive statistically in doing so.

But aside from all that, I am stunned that you would try to make the point that Garcia did more with less. I know you specified "skill position" talent, but your point is the same either way. He did more with less. But that's ridiculous considering that Garcia had possibly the most versatile and dangerous RB in the league behind him, and an O-line that was flat dominant down the stretch. That team won by running the football and protecting the ball. Garcia made very few plays by himself. Contrast that with Dallas' line that was disintegrating right before our eyes as the season wore on--with our RG being a shell of a man at the end--and there is no way you can make that claim. Add in the fact that the Eagles D was playing great and not putting Garcia in bad situations, and your point suddenly makes very little sense.

Garcia was mostly a care-taker. The Eagles as a team stepped up big-time, particularly their running game, and Garcia only started 6 games. I don't give a damn about tenure or veteran-hood, the facts are that anyone who plays only 6 games should never be eligible for a PB berth....especially when you consider that the PB rosters are decided a couple of weeks before the season ends, and thus he would have only had three or four games under his belt at the time.
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Jeff Garcia did it with more games under his resume, with less offensive talent around him (skill positionwise), plus led his team a division title, not just a wildcard. He was more deserving last year.

So Id say Bulger, and Garcia. Hassellbeck played well after he came back from injury too, if you compare Romo's body of work last year to Hasselbeck's, it wasn't all that better if better at all. And in those situations, you give the veteran the benefit of the doubt.

3 Cowboys shouldn't have been PBers last year. Roy Williams, Romo, and Flozell Adams. The 3 Cowboys who were deserving in my eyes were Owens, Ware and Newman. Newman got snubbed.
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I'm shocked that you would make that contention, really. Romo's passer rating was nearly identical to Garcia's, so that argument is sixes. However, the PRIMARY contention in against Romo is that he didn't log a full season of work. Well, Garcia didn't even log half a season! Garcia was 5-1 in his games played....but Romo was exactly the same through is first 6, and was more impressive statistically in doing so.

But aside from all that, I am stunned that you would try to make the point that Garcia did more with less. I know you specified "skill position" talent, but your point is the same either way. He did more with less. But that's ridiculous considering that Garcia had possibly the most versatile and dangerous RB in the league behind him, and an O-line that was flat dominant down the stretch. That team won by running the football and protecting the ball. Garcia made very few plays by himself. Contrast that with Dallas' line that was disintegrating right before our eyes as the season wore on--with our RG being a shell of a man at the end--and there is no way you can make that claim. Add in the fact that the Eagles D was playing great and not putting Garcia in bad situations, and your point suddenly makes very little sense.

Garcia was mostly a care-taker. The Eagles as a team stepped up big-time, particularly their running game, and Garcia only started 6 games. I don't give a damn about tenure or veteran-hood, the facts are that anyone who plays only 6 games should never be eligible for a PB berth....especially when you consider that the PB rosters are decided a couple of weeks before the season ends, and thus he would have only had three or four games under his belt at the time.
My thoughts exactly. You just articulated it better. Yeah, Garcia was technically 5-1 as a starter, but he was really 4-2 where it counts. He only threw 3 balls in the season finale, and he came in for McNabb in Week 11 against the Titans and managed just 1 TD against one of the worst pass defenses. I don't like giving QB's won-loss records, so I'll just say that the Eagles were 4-2 with Garcia at the helm last year.
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Well Grossman doesn't remind anybody of Unitas or Montana at all. I didn't see Hoge say it, but I'm assuming he's trying to illustrate what kind of player Romo is, more so than put him on either of those all-time greats' level. The player in recent history that Romo most closely resembles is undoubtedly Favre, imo. Very similar playing style. Perhaps the Brady reference was in comparison to the whole story book underdog 7th rd/UFA thing, and the fact that they both came in for Bledsoe and set the world on fire. Similar playing style to Favre, similar story to Brady.
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i think some of the rhomo hate was do to the excessive hype he was given last year as well as his ridiculous pro bowl bid. Anywho he did well last night and has had some good games... He's also had some bad games (not this season... yet) Rex Grossman was one of the best QBs last year for the first 5 er so games last year too. I'm not saying rhomo will tank... but last year he certainly tailed off... i think he's done well and i'm not afraid to admit that however i think he'll screw up sooner than later.
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Granted, but the other factors were still correct, he played poorly in a number of situations and didn't deserve to go to the probowl.
same could be said about a number of players every season so i think we should stick with what i thought was the well known fact that the pro bowl is a joke......
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Right now I think the NFC East has the best group of QB's and Romo is leading the pack
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I'm still reserving my judgment on him until he gets pressured. Granted he had a bad game last week, but Jason Taylor got smothered by the Cowboys oline. Romo had about 3 and a half minutes to deliver every pass.

I'm imagine most NFL quarterbacks would have a decent amount of success with the protection that oline provides.
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He's still not a top 5 QB.
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Come to think of it, Duckseason and DMW were right. He did deserve the PB. There really wasn't anyone else to replace him with.
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No, thanks to him, I am three months from being an admin. In case u don't know the story, I asked Ward if I could be admin, he responded when the Cowboys win the superbowl. I WILL REMEMBER THAT IN 3 MONTHS!
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Romo had a rifle pass he threw some what 3/4s angled to either Crayton or Witten for about 8 yards. He was getting pressured stepped up in the pocket and released it....and then i released something myself. It was of high velocity, great accuracy and one of the best developments I have seen occur in a while. Doing what it takes, adjusting arm angles, throwing into a golf ball sized window and getting the 1st down, allowing the team's drive to continue! Wow, the development that Romo has done and is left is quite interesting as well.
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