LOST Discussion - Page 114

TheBuffaloBills · 02-05-2009, 02:23 PM

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I don't really find Charlotte annoying. She hasn't had a real role so far this season other than getting nose bleeds. She has to be of some significance before she dies if she is suppose to, or that would be the biggest waste of paying an actor. She is really doing nothing. Same with Miles except he can communicate with dead people. Their connection with Island will come up sooner or later then they might die.

Maybe, but I don't think so unless he is secretly important about something. I'd like to see Arzt blow up again haha.

I was thinking the same thing, but I think she would change Faraday's actions. If she were to be on the verge of death again, I could see Faraday risking the Locke's, Sawyer's etc lives in order to save Charlotte. After all, Faraday did say he would do anything for her because he is in love with her.

I don't know, its just my guess.

bored of education · 02-05-2009, 03:40 PM

oh great where have i been

www.lostpedia.com

:/

nrk · 02-05-2009, 04:47 PM

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Eh, LOST usually throw the clues in there and waits several seasons to confirm suspicions. And half the time they put stuff in there to intentionally lead us off on a false path.

Perfect example being with Claire's mother and the lawyer within this week's episode. Everyone took the bait. Everyone.

I knew it was Ben the whole time even after they showed Claire's mother. I knew that was the only way for Ben to get her to go to the island. Also, Claire's mom would have went public. She wouldn't have kept it secret.

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It's not completely off-base, but I truly think she's working "with" Widmore, and not necessarily "for" Widmore. I think Widmore is attuned to what Sun's motives are, but he's along for the ride and cautious.

Ben said in the promo for next week that he can prove Jin is alive. I wonder how he knows . . . or is he bluffing and just so happens to be correct . . .

Yeah, I don't think Sun is working for anyone. She's doing it for herself. Sun obviously doesn't need the money after the settlement and buying her father's company.

The bomb could be what was buried in the Swan station but I don't think so. The Dharma Initiative is who made the station, not the Others who actually had the bomb. Also, how they would transport it safely across the island because they weren't near the station is another question that pops up in my mind.

Me Likey Rookies · 02-06-2009, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Xiomera

She wouldn't have known Jin sixteen years prior to meeting him . . .

Same case as with Ethan not knowing John when he shot him.

No I mean Older Danielle recognizing this asian dude that she met years ago and then probably disapeared in a flash. I forget if she ever interacted with with more than just Sayid, Jack, and the main people...

Xiomera · 02-06-2009, 06:54 AM

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No I mean Older Danielle recognizing this asian dude that she met years ago and then probably disapeared in a flash. I forget if she ever interacted with with more than just Sayid, Jack, and the main people...

She wouldn't have had any recollection of Jin from when she was young even if they had been best of pals.

Jin tripping through time and meeting her 16 years ago doesn't effect future memory in "real time." You can't inject memories into the future version of a person by going back in time and meeting them before "knowing" them. Or so I assume . . .

cdub11 · 02-06-2009, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Xiomera

She wouldn't have had any recollection of Jin from when she was young even if they had been best of pals.

Jin tripping through time and meeting her 16 years ago doesn't effect future memory in "real time." You can't inject memories into the future version of a person by going back in time and meeting them before "knowing" them. Or so I assume . . .

My only arguement with this would be Locke telling Richard about when he was born and then Richard visiting him when he was young, but then again it doesn't seem that Richard is bound by the same set of island rules as everyone else

Xiomera · 02-06-2009, 10:48 AM

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My only arguement with this would be Locke telling Richard about when he was born and then Richard visiting him when he was young, but then again it doesn't seem that Richard is bound by the same set of island rules as everyone else

Richard is different. That's all I can really say.

We know he's different but we don't know precisely how or why.

Xiomera · 02-06-2009, 11:13 AM

If you have 20 minutes to spare, read this episode review:

http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2009/02/...prince-by.html

It makes a ton of sense. If this guy is correct, I really love the direction the show is taking then.

iowatreat54 · 02-06-2009, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Xiomera

She wouldn't have had any recollection of Jin from when she was young even if they had been best of pals.

Jin tripping through time and meeting her 16 years ago doesn't effect future memory in "real time." You can't inject memories into the future version of a person by going back in time and meeting them before "knowing" them. Or so I assume . . .

That's kinda incorrect. Daniel talked to Desmond and changed his memory in Jughead.

But, time is kinda weird. When Danielle was alive, they hadn't gone back in time yet. So she never met Jin in the past. Once time went on, and they started changing time, then is when they went back 16 years or whatever and she sees Jin for the first time. Had she still been alive present day, her memory would prolly have changed. But since it hadn't happened yet when she was alive, she really never met him.

Xiomera · 02-06-2009, 11:32 AM

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That's kinda incorrect. Daniel talked to Desmond and changed his memory in Jughead.

But, time is kinda weird. When Danielle was alive, they hadn't gone back in time yet. So she never met Jin in the past. Once time went on, and they started changing time, then is when they went back 16 years or whatever and she sees Jin for the first time. Had she still been alive present day, her memory would prolly have changed. But since it hadn't happened yet when she was alive, she really never met him.

Yeah, but we know Desmond is 'special' in that way.

Not to mention that Rousseau is dead. Desmond was able to recall the memory since he was still alive.

There is no way any of us could possibly explain this all away, but Desmond and Richard are most certainly Wild Cards and the rules are different for them both.

cdub11 · 02-06-2009, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Xiomera

If you have 20 minutes to spare, read this episode review:

http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2009/02/...prince-by.html

It makes a ton of sense. If this guy is correct, I really love the direction the show is taking then.

very interesting read, thanks for posting

Brodeur · 02-06-2009, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Xiomera

If you have 20 minutes to spare, read this episode review:

http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2009/02/...prince-by.html

It makes a ton of sense. If this guy is correct, I really love the direction the show is taking then.

It had been 16 years between the time Jin arrived on that little makeshift raft and the time the plane had crashed. I don't think it's unreasonable that she didn't recognize Jin because it's been a long ass time.

Job · 02-06-2009, 02:06 PM

And she went crazy.

nrk · 02-06-2009, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Xiomera

If you have 20 minutes to spare, read this episode review:

http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2009/02/...prince-by.html

It makes a ton of sense. If this guy is correct, I really love the direction the show is taking then.

Eh, I disagree a lot with what he said or already expected it. I do agree with him about Ben being the good guy. One thing Ben has always done is kept his word. I do disagree with the people on the Island with the canoes being survivors of another crashed plane. It was fate that the 815 survivors were there as John said. I don't think they will fail at what they are suppose to do and the island just brings another plane of people. I'd hate that ending if thats the case.

I also disagree with his Walt time-jumping theory. I don't think the time-trippers can interact with people unless they're in the past where they don't belong. I.e. Desmond not answering Sawyer when he was pounding on the back door but came to Faraday when Sawyer and I think Juliet left. Walt was still on the island. Just my theory. Could be disproved depending on when Richard helped Locke after he was shot by Ethan, but I think it was in the present/future due to Richard knowing him. Also, there would have been more rain if his rain theory was right. There has been many times they were time jumping and it didn't rain.

I've always though Kate would end up with Sawyer, what do you guys think?

Also what he said about the Others protecting Jack and Kate but not Sawyer from the inoculation I disagree with. They wouldn't have protected Kate due to her life off the island and killing her dad. They made lists of people who could stay with them and I'm pretty sure Kate wouldn't be on that list. They would have protected Jack but not Kate.

Xiomera · 02-06-2009, 07:31 PM

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I've always though Kate would end up with Sawyer, what do you guys think?

Also what he said about the Others protecting Jack and Kate but not Sawyer from the inoculation I disagree with. They wouldn't have protected Kate due to her life off the island and killing her dad. They made lists of people who could stay with them and I'm pretty sure Kate wouldn't be on that list. They would have protected Jack but not Kate.

A) I don't care about who Kate ends up with, haha. I hate Kate. She isn't even hot anymore.

B) That part of the review I didn't care for, but I liked much of what he said otherwise.

I do think the rain has significance to the time travel.

nrk · 02-06-2009, 07:53 PM

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A) I don't care about who Kate ends up with, haha. I hate Kate. She isn't even hot anymore.

B) That part of the review I didn't care for, but I liked much of what he said otherwise.

I do think the rain has significance to the time travel.

The rain probably does have significance to the time travel but I don't think in the sense as he thinks. Sure it rained when he said, but it didn't rain when Locke met Ethan or when Locke met up with Richard. There has been other times as well.

About getting sick from exposure to the island for a while, I think he and Faraday are both wrong. Rousseau probably would have gotten sick too (unless she did and found a constant). The freighter's radio communication guy got sick without even being on the island. A lot of the others would have gotten sick as well unless they know how to prevent it.

Me Likey Rookies · 02-06-2009, 08:01 PM

I believe most of you have it wrong. There is no "first time" through. Time is a straight line and can't be changed. The fact that the time travelers went back means that they ALWAYS went back. Rousseau ALWAYS met future Jin, and Richard ALWAYS met future Locke. There is no "first time" when the time travelers did not appear, they ALWAYS appeared.

That is the confusing thing about time travel. What came first, the chicken or the egg?

And so Rousseau always had that memory of Jin, I am sure she would not have forgotten the weird asian guy from the time that she just arrived to the island.

nrk · 02-06-2009, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Me Likey Rookies

I believe most of you have it wrong. There is no "first time" through. Time is a straight line and can't be changed. The fact that the time travelers went back means that they ALWAYS went back. Rousseau ALWAYS met future Jin, and Richard ALWAYS met future Locke. There is no "first time" when the time travelers did not appear, they ALWAYS appeared.

That is the confusing thing about time travel. What came first, the chicken or the egg?

And so Rousseau always had that memory of Jin, I am sure she would not have forgotten the weird asian guy from the time that she just arrived to the island.

It could be. Didn't Faraday say that time was a straight line? He said something along the lines if it hasn't happened in the past then you can't change it, I believe. Then he goes and gets Desmond to answer but that never happened before until he did it in the past. That is when Desmond woke up and remembered the event, after they did it on the island. I think most of what Faraday says is to throw off the audience.

Me Likey Rookies · 02-06-2009, 08:33 PM

or it could be that only desmond is the special one and has powers like we saw in the constant and flashes before your eyes

Shane P. Hallam · 02-06-2009, 10:07 PM

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I believe most of you have it wrong. There is no "first time" through. Time is a straight line and can't be changed. The fact that the time travelers went back means that they ALWAYS went back. Rousseau ALWAYS met future Jin, and Richard ALWAYS met future Locke. There is no "first time" when the time travelers did not appear, they ALWAYS appeared.

That is the confusing thing about time travel. What came first, the chicken or the egg?

And so Rousseau always had that memory of Jin, I am sure she would not have forgotten the weird asian guy from the time that she just arrived to the island.

As mentioned, Desmond is the only one that time seems to be that straight line for and he has those memories.

I think the most telling thing timewise is what Daniel alluded to. Basically that the past can't be changed in a way that would significantly affect the people changing it.

I trust the creators to really end up tying this up in a bow by the end of it all.

Xiomera · 02-06-2009, 10:28 PM

I think the past can be changed, but as Mrs. Hawking explained, there is such a thing as course correction.

I think the stuff from the Indian Airline found by Juliet and Co. on the beach is the course corrected equivalent of flight 815.

I think Charlie's delayed death was the start of a delineation from the one true timeline and course correction can't fix it this time. Charlie still died, but the way in which he died allowed the freighter folks to find the island, in turn allowing the O6 to leave. That wasn't supposed to happen in the original timeline. Charlie, via Desmond's ability, changed the timeline.

Shane P. Hallam · 02-06-2009, 10:31 PM

Agreed about the Indian Airline. And I think as the article said, it is the future. But, it is something that could change depending on what Locke does to bring back the 6 (and we already know he DOES make it off).

Xiomera · 02-06-2009, 10:34 PM

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Agreed about the Indian Airline. And I think as the article said, it is the future. But, it is something that could change depending on what Locke does to bring back the 6 (and we already know he DOES make it off).

Yeah, that scene could easily never come into existance when the O6 returns.

I really like this theory though on what's happening.

Shane P. Hallam · 02-06-2009, 10:37 PM

It creates possibilities without making things too confused or ultimately sticking the show in a position that would be impossible to write out of.

Xiomera · 02-06-2009, 10:39 PM

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It creates possibilities without making things too confused or ultimately sticking the show in a position that would be impossible to write out of.

I just like the idea that Desmond can alter the timeline alone and no one else. Also good to know that Charlie's death really meant something important.