LOST Discussion

[CC.SD]

Originally Posted by A Perfect Score

I havent watched Smallville in forever, but do you really blame me for having that avatar? Come on dude.

Smallville has gotten surprisingly watchable over the last couple years but Lana Lang as a character is a stain on television. Kreuk's definitely fiiiiiiine though

[Xiomera]

Originally Posted by A Perfect Score

I understand that suspending disbelief is important when watching TV, and especially a show like LOST, but that doesn't mean its alright to just write in plot holes or not answer questions. Being dismissive in regards to them is just kinda stupid, because like...thats what makes good TV. The details. So yes, its important to suspend disbelief and I can live with them not answering some of the questions, but blatantly leaving plot holes in a show doesn't make for good television.

The entire occurrence of the tree falling on Ben was completely insignificant to the narrative. Yes, it's a damn shame they edited out the 5 second clip when they got the tree off him.

There are things that are worth bitching about ... and then there is this.

[Ness]

Originally Posted by Brodeur

I don't think you understand what a plot hole is if you think that's a plot hole.

Mince words. Doesn't really matter. That incident was ridiculously stupid in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Jvig43

What I'm still shocked about is I havent heard anyone question how they got ben out of that big ******* tree that fell on him in the finale. One second Kate, Sawyer, and Hurley are attempting to get it off of him, then Kate runs after Jack. Kate kills MIB, then out of nowhere Sawyer, Hurley and Ben just show up..... Oh I guess that tree wasnt so hard to move?

I remember that. At that point I was just like "whatever, there are already enough inconsistencies as it is...let's just find out what the origin of the island was about." Of course that never happened.

[Brodeur]

Originally Posted by Ness

Mince words. Doesn't really matter. That incident was ridiculously stupid in my opinion.

Yes Hurley is fat, but he's proven to be a pretty good swimmer and Kate was already barely breathing anyway.

[Ness]

Originally Posted by Brodeur

Yes Hurley is fat, but he's proven to be a pretty good swimmer and Kate was already barely breathing anyway.

Still in that scenario I find it highly unlikely that he would manage to get through the wreckage, find the exit in a place he's never been before while carrying a wounded Kate, plus an oxygen tank while the area is filling with water, and manage to get out and swim all the way to the top while buddy breathing with Kate. Hurley isn't a Navy SEAL. Just seemed to be one of those things that didn't have magic involved that didn't seem believable at all. And Hurley being a good swimmer isn't a good enough excuse to justify that.

[Brodeur]

Originally Posted by Ness

Still in that scenario I find it highly unlikely that he would manage to get through the wreckage, find the exit in a place he's never been before while carrying a wounded Kate, plus an oxygen tank while the area is filling with water, and manage to get out and swim all the way to the top while buddy breathing with Kate. Hurley isn't a Navy SEAL. Just seemed to be one of those things that didn't have magic involved that didn't seem believable at all. And Hurley being a good swimmer isn't a good enough excuse to justify that.

He's just as capable of doing is at Jack was with Sawyer, so I don't see the problem.

[Ness]

Originally Posted by Brodeur

He's just as capable of doing is at Jack was with Sawyer, so I don't see the problem.

Oh that was stupid too, don't get me wrong. Actually that entire series of events was ********. Why didn't Sayid just throw the bomb down the hallway at the last second at least giving himself a chance at living? And Sun conveniently getting trapped under wrecked fixtures? Or Sawyer conveniently getting hit in the head with a beam and getting knocked out? Then of course Hurley does his Superman thing and Sawyer manages to survive while being unconscious and not drowning.

[Jvig43]

Originally Posted by Xiomera

The entire occurrence of the tree falling on Ben was completely insignificant to the narrative. Yes, it's a damn shame they edited out the 5 second clip when they got the tree off him.

There are things that are worth bitching about ... and then there is this.

It takes our focus away from the actual narrative, and if their going to throw things in then they should make damn sure they give it a conclusion. A five second clip would be more useless yes, you know whats even more useless, having A ******* SCENE THROWN IN FOR NO REASON BECAUSE THEIR WAS NO CONCLUSION. Thats worth bitching about.

[Brown Leader]

Walt Cherepinsky and his pal's take...

OK. If you have watched it, chances are that you were pretty confused and/or furious by the ending. I say this because I received angry e-mails directed toward Lost. Also, ABC News streamed post-finale comments during the program, many of which resembled, "I can't believe they ended it this way!" or "So they were dead the whole time? Argh!" or "Lost have debacled my brains and my minds." I'll give you three guesses as to who wrote that last one in.

When Christian Shephard opened the doors of the church and Jack closed his eyes in the bamboo forest, I actually sat in silence for about five minutes. I felt like I was clubbed over the head with a baseball bat. I didn't know what the hell happened.

Luckily, I watched the show with my friend Josh. After the ending, we bounced some ideas off each other and somehow managed to figure the whole thing out (though it was 90-percent Josh).

THE SURVIVORS WERE NOT DEAD THE WHOLE TIME AND THEY WERE NOT IN PURGATORY.

The survivors who died on the island died then - not during Oceanic plane crash. Those who flew off the island on the Ajira plane survived. But as Christian Shephard told Jack, "Everyone dies." Those on the Ajira plane would eventually die someday. Remember what Christian said: "Some died before you. Some died long after you." Those who died before Jack were Sun, Jin, Boone, Hot Shannon, Sayid, etc. Those who died after Jack were Hurley (who apparently was a good No. 1 on the island), Ben (who, according to Hurley was a good No. 2), Frank, Miles, Sawyer, Claire, etc. And of course Kate - which is why she told Jack that she missed him. She presumably lived long after him, and still missed him until the day she passed away.

The whole show wasn't about purgatory. The flash sideways was the purgatory (and an epilogue). That's why the characters kept bumping into one another. As Christian said, they were each part of the best time of each other's lives. Once they were all dead (and I'd imagine that Hurley died last, having protected the island for who knows how long), they all gathered in the church in their make-believe flash sideways so that they could depart together.

Before we move on from the flash sideways, remember how terrified Mrs. Hawking was at the concert. She asked Desmond if he would be taking Daniel with him, but Desmond assured her that he wouldn't do so. Daniel apparently wasn't ready to move on, and his mother wanted him to go with her into the afterlife; not with everyone else. Meanwhile, remember what Hurley said to Desmond when he saw Ana Lucia in last week's episode: "I didn't know Ana Lucia was coming with us." Desmond replied, "No, she's not ready yet." Ana Lucia, Michael, Walt, Richard Alpert and others not in the church scene weren't there because the best part of their lives wasn't spent with the Oceanic survivors.

So if they were just all going to die, what was the whole point of the light on the island, as well as the struggle between Jacob and the Man In Black? That's a bit more confusing, but I think we figured that one out as well.

The Man In Black wanted to extinguish the light on the island so that he could leave the island. Once Desmond did this, lava started spewing out of the ground, the sky grew dark, and earthquakes shook every few minutes, creating a hellish atmosphere. My best guess is that without the light, no one could go to heaven, with the lava-infested, earthquake-laden hell being the only alternative.

But once Jack fixed things for the final time, the light went back on, which eventually allowed all of our favorite characters to depart into a peaceful afterlife together - once they all died, of course.

I didn't like the ending initially, but after really thinking about it, I've grown to love it. Our beloved characters weren't in purgatory the whole time, as some believe. Lost was a story of the most integral part of these characters' lives, and how they overcame an evil force to ensure that humanity wasn't doomed to hell after death.

Just read this-Walt & Josh back me up-consensus now?

[eaglesalltheway]

The funny part about that was, I watched it with my buddy Josh and sat there silent for 5 minutes too. My name isn't Walt though, haha. But I feel pretty much the same way about everything that he mentioned.

[Ness]

Originally Posted by Brown Leader

Walt Cherepinsky and his pal's take...



Just read this-Walt & Josh back me up-consensus now?

That clears the air a little bit. I mean they were good GUESSES as to what happened. However, still doesn't explain the origin of the island and why it exists, or rather what civilization was there long ago and why certain structures were built. People are going to point out that knowing things like that would take away the mystique of the island. My response to that is "cop out". It doesn't have to be explained in black and what terms, but a little ambiguous blurb by some character like Jacob could have explained a lot...or maybe when Jack drank the magic water and received a boatload of knowledge or something. Anything would have been better than nothing.

And Walt's plot hole with his powers will probably never been explained.

[Xiomera]

Originally Posted by Ness

That clears the air a little bit. I mean they were good GUESSES as to what happened. However, still doesn't explain the origin of the island and why it exists, or rather what civilization was there long ago and why certain structures were built. People are going to point out that knowing things like that would take away the mystique of the island. My response to that is "cop out". It doesn't have to be explained in black and what terms, but a little ambiguous blurb by some character like Jacob could have explained a lot...or maybe when Jack drank the magic water and received a boatload of knowledge or something. Anything would have been better than nothing.

And Walt's plot hole with his powers will probably never been explained.

How is it a "cop out?" People once lived on the island. Egyptians who put hieroglyphics on things and built the statue probably. What needs to be said about them other than that they existed? Maybe they were just the original "Others."

[Brodeur]

I don't think it's necessary to explain, but it would be nice to see in a graphic novel or something.

[Brown Leader]

Or like a feature film.

[Jughead10]

While I really enjoyed the finale, the more I think about it, the more I disliked the final season as a whole. Mostly the on island stuff. To me it seemed like most of the final season was focused on the purgatory or flash sideways stuff, while a lot of the happenings on the island was just a lot of fluff to fill how many episodes they needed to show what they wanted to on the flash sideways. Just seems a lot of the stuff on the island was really drawn out, despite having two episodes not even having any of the present day island in it.

[Xiomera]

Originally Posted by Jughead10

While I really enjoyed the finale, the more I think about it, the more I disliked the final season as a whole. Mostly the on island stuff. To me it seemed like most of the final season was focused on the purgatory or flash sideways stuff, while a lot of the happenings on the island was just a lot of fluff to fill how many episodes they needed to show what they wanted to on the flash sideways. Just seems a lot of the stuff on the island was really drawn out, despite having two episodes not even having any of the present day island in it.

I can agree with this. The whole Widmore returning to the island thing was almost totally worthless, especially with the quick disposal of him thanks to Ben. Just a lot of standing around with MIB/Locke in the jungle. Ilana was totally worthless too. And there was no payoff for Richard, who really did nothing to stop MIB.

I loved the finale too, but the sixth season was not particularly awesome, though the Desmond and Richard episodes were two of the finest in the show's run.

[Jughead10]

Originally Posted by Xiomera

I can agree with this. The whole Widmore returning to the island thing was almost totally worthless, especially with the quick disposal of him thanks to Ben. Just a lot of standing around with MIB/Locke in the jungle. Ilana was totally worthless too. And there was no payoff for Richard, who really did nothing to stop MIB.

I loved the finale too, but the sixth season was not particularly awesome, though the Desmond and Richard episodes were two of the finest in the show's run.

The temple episodes too. We were finally introduced to the temple and it was really rather useless and shortlived. As well as the two characters who seemed to run the show there.

[Xiomera]

Originally Posted by Jughead10

The temple episodes too. We were finally introduced to the temple and it was really rather useless and shortlived. As well as the two characters who seemed to run the show there.

And the demise of the Others?

Taken as a whole, this season was weak, but it also had quite a lot of high points and episodes.

I won't complain too much. I am happy with the show's conclusion. I do wish they had introduced Desmond into the sideways world sooner and made his attempts to "awaken" them a little less desperate to begin with.

Also, more Ben in the island timeline would have been nice. I wanted to see him have more tricks up his sleeve. He just disappeared for too long.

[El Peefs?????]

Originally Posted by Jughead10

The temple episodes too. We were finally introduced to the temple and it was really rather useless and shortlived. As well as the two characters who seemed to run the show there.

Haha the temple was such a waste of time. Same with the whole water/rebirth/zombie **** that seemed like it would play a large role in the final season and for the most part was ignored and tossed aside once MIB stomped the temple out.

[Whistler6]

This makes me want to cry.

Tragedy struck Jorge Garcia as he prepared to leave the island of Oahu, Hawaii, his home for the past six years. His beloved Chihuahua Nunu was struck and killed by a car while crossing the street.

Garcia, who played Hurley on the hit show 'Lost,' updated his blog, 'Dispatches From the Island,' yesterday with the news. "It breaks my heart to tell you that yesterday as we were preparing to all go to the airport Nunu was struck by a car as she crossed the street," Garcia wrote. "She died in my arms."

[Brodeur]

I actually liked all of the on island stuff this year, and I'd probably rank this season ahead of season 2 and 5 overall. Actual ranking...

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[El Peefs?????]

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[Brodeur]

What exactly was wrong with season 3 (after the first six episodes) and season 4?

[El Peefs?????]

I didnt like it at all when people started leaving the island, having half of every episode take place off the island already was too much for me. After season 2 I was so sick of flashes, but they refused to get rid of them and kept forcing them down your throat for 20 mins every ep. My favorite episode of Lost might be the Season 3 finale, it had its moments season 3 did. Season 4 though.. I think the show really changed a lot then (the whole everyone not being on the island). Then they just started introducing too many characters, too many storylines, too much **** going on that they couldnt possibly keep up with. Spread themselves way too thin.

[Brown Leader]

not again. 5 at 5? er 6?


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Which season was Locke's father killed?