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It all depends on Hudson's assestment of Free. He is probably the closest thing to a LT on the roster. Hudson is making a lot of money; Maybe he can make a good LT out of Free.
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I'm still not happy that Barber hasn't been resigned yet.
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It all depends on Hudson's assestment of Free. He is probably the closest thing to a LT on the roster. Hudson is making a lot of money; Maybe he can make a good LT out of Free.
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I read somewhere that Stephen Jones recently (within the last week) came on to Michael Irvins show and said Barbers contract is in the works.
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If he's not franchsied, I'd be elated with the King taking a run at Jared Allen. He's a dominant pass rusher at a position of relative need- we don't have a defensive end who does much other than plug running gaps. He's also 25 and was born in Dallas (meaningless, but a nice caveat anyway).
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I'm still not happy that Barber hasn't been resigned yet.
right there with you, its pissing me off!!! there have been several different reports that we were close, yet nothing. i sure hope he isn't traded. hopefully jerry wasn't BSing wen he said there was no deal w/ barber in it
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If he's not franchsied, I'd be elated with the King taking a run at Jared Allen. He's a dominant pass rusher at a position of relative need- we don't have a defensive end who does much other than plug running gaps. He's also 25 and was born in Dallas (meaningless, but a nice caveat anyway).
eh, too much money, he might not be a good 3-4 DE fit, we have ratliff, hatcher, and canty at end. we need an all-star NT. CB or NT should be the defensive positions we are concerned with.
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If he's not franchsied, I'd be elated with the King taking a run at Jared Allen. He's a dominant pass rusher at a position of relative need- we don't have a defensive end who does much other than plug running gaps. He's also 25 and was born in Dallas (meaningless, but a nice caveat anyway).
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Yall need to relax...these things will come in time...plus they're all at the pro bowl right now so, I'm sure there hasnt been much discussion going on. Jeez, the season just ended last weekend. We've got plenty of time. haha.
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If he's not franchsied, I'd be elated with the King taking a run at Jared Allen. He's a dominant pass rusher at a position of relative need- we don't have a defensive end who does much other than plug running gaps. He's also 25 and was born in Dallas (meaningless, but a nice caveat anyway).
If we were running a 4-3 Defense, Allen makes sense. But since we're not, I don't see the fit at all. He's more valuable to a 4-3 team than a 3-4. He'd need to bulk up at least 20 more pounds to play as an effective 3-4 DE, and if he did that, he'd be a completely different player.
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If we were running a 4-3 Defense, Allen makes sense. But since we're not, I don't see the fit at all. He's more valuable to a 4-3 team than a 3-4. He'd need to bulk up at least 20 more pounds to play as an effective 3-4 DE, and if he did that, he'd be a completely different player.
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Yall need to relax...these things will come in time...plus they're all at the pro bowl right now so, I'm sure there hasnt been much discussion going on. Jeez, the season just ended last weekend. We've got plenty of time. haha.
Just antsy. Not panicked. There's a difference.

I wouldn't be feeling this way if the Dallas news didn't come out last week saying Barber would sign in the next coming day or two. It's been more than just a day or two.
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Or Moyal -- You post in the blogging the boys discussion, correct?
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Did we ever get a link to that?
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Do you not like Free?

The talk was pretty positive on him before he hurt his knee last year if memory serves. The Goose was pretty high us getting him where we got him in the draft.
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You guys are incorrect. Flo will cost $9 Million if we franchise him:

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So instead of making $7.455 million as a franchise player in 2008, Adams would actually cost the Cowboys $9 million. That might change the argument a little bit for some people. It does for me, especially with all of the restructuring you would have to do to re-sign other players.
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i really like Free's potential, i thought he did an excellent job in training camp and the preseason last year. but preseason is pretty different from the regular season. but i do like his potential
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Do you not like Free?

The talk was pretty positive on him before he hurt his knee last year if memory serves. The Goose was pretty high us getting him where we got him in the draft.
Let's just put it this way. If Flozell isn't back... and all we got are Free and McQuistan... I'll be terrified for Romo's blindside and left side running game.

Does anybody know how Free's injury recovery is or has been? He's so soft and so fragile, I don't know if anybody got his daily injury report.
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i really like Free's potential, i thought he did an excellent job in training camp and the preseason last year. but preseason is pretty different from the regular season. but i do like his potential
I like Free as a Guard better than a tackle.
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Let's just put it this way. If Flozell isn't back... and all we got are Free and McQuistan... I'll be terrified for Romo's blindside and left side running game.

Does anybody know how Free's injury recovery is or has been? He's so soft and so fragile, I don't know if anybody got his daily injury report.
I think it was just a sprained MCL; He was fine a couple of weeks into the season.

I certainly am not 100% comfortable with letting Flo go, but I feel confident that if they do, they have taken Hudson's opinion strongly into consideration and feel confident he can coach him up.


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I thought Free's strength was his height and athletic ability. His weakness was his upper body strength.

Isn't guard magnifying his weaknesses and minimizing his strengths?
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Jared Allen is a lock to be franchised anyway...


And Barber is a restricted free agent, not un-restricted, so im not too worried...id just like to get him, Canty, and Hamlin locked up and then go from there
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Here's some refresher on what was being said on Free:

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/players/94328

http://www.rookiepedia.com/index.php?title=Doug_Free

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/p...ospect_ID=1187

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Bring Flozell back for 9M/year would be a huge mistake.

He really gets the benefit of the doubt for the job he does, but a lot of credit goes to Romo for buying time and getting the ball out quickly. We run better out of the right side behind Davis and Columbo than Adams and Kosier... and Columbo isn't even a good run blocker.

Compound the fact that he's 33, going to be 34 next season and I think we'd be nuts to bring him back. If he's to come back, he needs to take a pay cut from what he's gotten in the past and for no more than a 2 year deal. No need to franchise him. He's not that good. Let's be honest. Flozell has is very inconsistent. His nickname is False Start Flozell. ...and once he gets beat off the line once, he usually lets his guy go and isn't able to recover.

I've been clamoring for a long time now that we need to find a replacement at LT for him and that Free and McQuistan aren't the answers. Free needs to get snaps at Guard and get ready to take over or compete for Kosier's job. We need to come away with an elite LT prospect in this draft on the first day.

LT is one position that if you have an elite prospect, they have shown to be NFL ready from Day 1. Look at Tony Ugoh (Colts), Joe Thomas (Browns), Jamaal Brown (Saints), Marcus McNeill (Chargers), Levi Brown (Cards)... Pick'em right and there is a good chance you have a future LT for the next decade. 9M on Flozell??? Don't try to make me laugh.
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Bring Flozell back for 9M/year would be a huge mistake.

He really gets the benefit of the doubt for the job he does, but a lot of credit goes to Romo for buying time and getting the ball out quickly. We run better out of the right side behind Davis and Columbo than Adams and Kosier... and Columbo isn't even a good run blocker.

Compound the fact that he's 33, going to be 34 next season and I think we'd be nuts to bring him back. If he's to come back, he needs to take a pay cut from what he's gotten in the past and for no more than a 2 year deal. No need to franchise him. He's not that good. Let's be honest. Flozell has is very inconsistent. His nickname is False Start Flozell. ...and once he gets beat off the line once, he usually lets his guy go and isn't able to recover.

I've been clamoring for a long time now that we need to find a replacement at LT for him and that Free and McQuistan aren't the answers. Free needs to get snaps at Guard and get ready to take over or compete for Kosier's job. We need to come away with an elite LT prospect in this draft on the first day.

LT is one position that if you have an elite prospect, they have shown to be NFL ready from Day 1. Look at Tony Ugoh (Colts), Joe Thomas (Browns), Jamaal Brown (Saints), Marcus McNeill (Chargers), Levi Brown (Cards)... Pick'em right and there is a good chance you have a future LT for the next decade. 9M on Flozell??? Don't try to make me laugh.
The problem, as I see it, is that there will not be an elite LT where they pick. In fact, I think there's only one elite LT in this draft and he's not as good as Joe Thomas, so where does that leave us?

Seriously, I don't think there is a guy we can draft that will be better on day one than Doug Free who has a year into our system and our S&C program.

And I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I just don't see where the Free at guard talk is coming from. He is not ever mentioned as a guard in any evaluations I saw prior to draft. In fact, they all talk about one of his biggest strengths is his quickness and ability to get his hands on speed rushers. Now, I did see some reports that thought Marten might be better suited for guard.
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The problem, as I see it, is that there will not be an elite LT where they pick. In fact, I think there's only one elite LT in this draft and he's not as good as Joe Thomas, so where does that leave us?

Seriously, I don't think there is a guy we can draft that will be better on day one than Doug Free who has a year into our system and our S&C program.

And I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I just don't see where the Free at guard talk is coming from. He is not ever mentioned as a guard in any evaluations I saw prior to draft. In fact, they all talk about one of his biggest strengths is his quickness and ability to get his hands on speed rushers. Now, I did see some reports that thought Marten might be better suited for guard.
I've always thought if Free didn't work out at tackle that he could easily suit up at Guard. I found it funny that in your own link it said, "May be looked at as a guard in NFL". http://www.rookiepedia.com/index.php?title=Doug_Free

I had to laugh. :D

As far as LT prospects who could easily fill in for Flozell and save us 9M per year...

Jake Long
Ryan Clady
Chris Williams
Jeff Otah
Anthony Collins
Sam Baker
Gosder Cherilous
Carl Nicks
Tony Hills (if healthy)

I'd take any of 'em. OT is a position that you WANT to spend a first rounder on. OT, DE, DT, CB, S are positions where you definitely want to spend a first rounder on.
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