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Old 12-07-2008, 10:21 PM    (permalink
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1. Real Coach
-This team would be a playoff team with a GM/HC tandom of Phil Savage and Butch Davis. Mark those words. Everyone hates Davis and wants Savage fired, but Davis was just a bad talent evaluater and couldn't attract good free agents. He was a better coach than Romeo though, and that is Savage's biggest problem...a sorry excuse of a coach.

2. LeRoy Hill LB
-We need someone next to Jackson and Hill is very underrated. Somehow has become the other guy next to Peterson and Lofa even though he's out played then both.

3. Chris Canty DE
-Igor Olshansky would be better for the run, but Canty has a little bit more pass rush abilities and we need it badly.

4. JaBari Greer NB
-We need another corner in the worst way. I really don't care which 2 start either, but if Wright's lack of effort doesn't pick up then he should be the one benched. I don't care how talented you are when you quit in the middle of a play almost every game at least twice then you need to be taught a lesson.

5. Eric Norwood OLB(Round 2)
-He'll probably end up a Steeler as a 3rd down pass rusher until Harrison ages and he'll kick out asses every year because this is the type of player they love. Well its time we start getting those players too

6. Michael Crabtree WR(Round 1)
-Make Braylon Edwards earn his spot again then he'll actually start concentrating and working hard again. JJ is gone soon anyway and Stallworth's vagina is always sore. We're going to be picking too high to land the linebackers we need now, so might as well give Quinn some play makers.

7. Rex Hadnot to Center, Tucker to RG and Fraley to the Bench
-Hank Fraley is responsible for the protection calls up front and time and again he makes the wrong call. There is a reason Philly let him go for so little and for a slightly above average center at that too. He's slower than he once was and he's never been powerful. Hadnot has always been a better center than guard and he's looking worse than he really is because he's playing next to the suck that is Fraley. Ryan Tucker when healthy is hands down our best lineman whether he be at guard or tackle. I love Joe Thomas, but we hit on all cylinders when Tucker plays.

8. Bench Jamal Lewis for Jerome Harrison
-We can't fill every hole in one offseason, so running back remains unfilled because they can be found every year a dime a dozen. Harrison should be giving the bulk of the carries to see if he can shine and Lewis can still be used as a short yardage bruiser....maybe that will even give him a boost.

9. Give Brady the reigns
-and 100% guarentee the starting Job is his. Don't make him look over his shoulder because he'll play nervous too and we can't afford that to happen.

10. Cut Donte Stallworth
-He doesn't give great effort his vagina is always hurting him and he is affriad to go over the middle. He's the most pathetic football player since Charlie Frye.


Side note;

What is the final score going to be this week?

Cincinnati 5
Cleveland 3

We lose on a Hank Fraley whiff for a sack then Dorsey fumbles into the endzone for a saftey. hahaha the #2 and #3 most pathetic teams in the entire league and neither of us have a QB who can even be considered a decent backup. Detroit could actually probably beat the both of us, so maybe we're really #1 and #2???

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1. Real Coach
-This team would be a playoff team with a GM/HC tandom of Phil Savage and Butch Davis. Mark those words. Everyone hates Davis and wants Savage fired, but Davis was just a bad talent evaluater and couldn't attract good free agents. He was a better coach than Romeo though, and that is Savage's biggest problem...a sorry excuse of a coach.

2. LeRoy Hill LB
-We need someone next to Jackson and Hill is very underrated. Somehow has become the other guy next to Peterson and Lofa even though he's out played then both.

3. Chris Canty DE
-Igor Olshansky would be better for the run, but Canty has a little bit more pass rush abilities and we need it badly.

4. JaBari Greer NB
-We need another corner in the worst way. I really don't care which 2 start either, but if Wright's lack of effort doesn't pick up then he should be the one benched. I don't care how talented you are when you quit in the middle of a play almost every game at least twice then you need to be taught a lesson.

5. Eric Norwood OLB(Round 2)
-He'll probably end up a Steeler as a 3rd down pass rusher until Harrison ages and he'll kick out asses every year because this is the type of player they love. Well its time we start getting those players too

6. Michael Crabtree WR(Round 1)
-Make Braylon Edwards earn his spot again then he'll actually start concentrating and working hard again. JJ is gone soon anyway and Stallworth's vagina is always sore. We're going to be picking too high to land the linebackers we need now, so might as well give Quinn some play makers.

7. Rex Hadnot to Center, Tucker to RG and Fraley to the Bench
-Hank Fraley is responsible for the protection calls up front and time and again he makes the wrong call. There is a reason Philly let him go for so little and for a slightly above average center at that too. He's slower than he once was and he's never been powerful. Hadnot has always been a better center than guard and he's looking worse than he really is because he's playing next to the suck that is Fraley. Ryan Tucker when healthy is hands down our best lineman whether he be at guard or tackle. I love Joe Thomas, but we hit on all cylinders when Tucker plays.

8. Bench Jamal Lewis for Jerome Harrison
-We can't fill every hole in one offseason, so running back remains unfilled because they can be found every year a dime a dozen. Harrison should be giving the bulk of the carries to see if he can shine and Lewis can still be used as a short yardage bruiser....maybe that will even give him a boost.

9. Give Brady the reigns
-and 100% guarentee the starting Job is his. Don't make him look over his shoulder because he'll play nervous too and we can't afford that to happen.

10. Cut Donte Stallworth
-He doesn't give great effort his vagina is always hurting him and he is affriad to go over the middle. He's the most pathetic football player since Charlie Frye.


Side note;

What is the final score going to be this week?

Cincinnati 5
Cleveland 3

We lose on a Hank Fraley whiff for a sack then Dorsey fumbles into the endzone for a saftey. hahaha the #2 and #3 most pathetic teams in the entire league and neither of us have a QB who can even be considered a decent backup. Detroit could actually probably beat the both of us, so maybe we're really #1 and #2???
Crabtree will most likely be gone by our pick...All mocks are showing Seattle in love with him.
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I think Scott is way off in his opinion of the Browns needs. Alex Hall isn't expected to be more than a situational guy at OLB and a guy they want to develop slowly. If we go into 2009 with Hall/Wimbley as our OLBs we are in deep ****. I think they expect to have Wimbley start at one OLB and Hall as the backup with a new guy who can rush the passer well at the other OLB. CB is not that pressing of a need, McDonald has done well in all but a few games this year - his second year in the league and first as a starter. McDonald I think will turn into a solid starting CB, he has been a playmaker this year at times. Jenkins would be a BPA pick if Curry and Orakpo are gone. Those two clearly should be at or in the top 3 on our draft board as things stand right now. OLB and ILB are far and away our top 2 needs on defense, Scott just got some bad information or doesn't know enough about the Browns apparently.

But as bad as our offense is and with the trouble we've had with prima donnas like Braylon and Kellen, drafting a guy like Wells or Crabtree might be a good idea if we sign a big time linebacker in free agency.
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this article caught my eye:
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/inde...ly_will_t.html
Kinda makes ya feel sorry about Crennel and his situation, I wonder how good we would've been if we had some better defensive talent. It kind of is unfair that he will be losing his job here in the next month, but making changes after having really bad years 3 out of 4 seasons makes sense too. You know Savage will be on the hot seat big time next year if we do indeed bring him back. I'm for giving Savage another go b/c he is one of the best in the league at recognizing talent, but he's definitely on his last strike with all the other things that have gone on.
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Cleveland doesn't have a solid defense, nobody is saying they do but for as bad as it is, their are 18 teams who are giving up more points than Cleveland before Dorsey became the starting QB. That means the defense is playing way above its talent level and Crennel has to get some credit for that. In fact the defense since Crennel took the job has outperformed its talent level by quite a bit.
Tell me how did he win 10 games last year with this defense minus Rogers and Williams???
John Fox was on his last legs in Carolina, with their fans calling for his head for 2 unproductive seasons in a row. It was do or die for him this season. Fans are fickle my friend and 'what have you done for me lately' rules pro football fan's thoughts. Last year Green Bay was the talk of the league and Rodgers has had a very good season yet their defense has collapsed and they have only won 5 games in a very weak Division.
The Cleveland schedule shows we have played teams with a .574 winning percentage, guess what, that makes it the toughest schedule in the whole NFL bar none. Edwards has started dropping the ball at an alarming rate, both our starting QB's are gone for the season with injuries, Lewis has slowed down noticeably and his career may be done, and Thomas has had a sophomore slump and isn't playing at an all Pro level.Our talent level on defense with only one 1st rounder isn't near playoff calibre, but it is just all Crennel's fault just like it is all Fox's fault the last 2 seasons prior to this season, like it is all McCarthy's fault for Green Bay, like it is all Turner's fault in San Diego. Gee, injuries are catching up to the Giants, I guess that is all the HC's fault as well.

Crennel is either close to 65 or maybe even older so he's likely to be let go and replaced to satisfy the fans. Teams often fire a HC as a sacrificial scapegoat for their own failures as an organization. Crennel took over a team that was devoid of talent at every position. The Butch Davis era left this team as he found it, an expansion team with zero productive 1st rounders on it. Yet in a few seasons Crennel produced a 10 win season even though only 1 first rounder had been added to the defense. This season he faced the toughest schedule in the NFL, had his star receiver go south on him with the dropsies, had his star TE get injured, had his 2 starting QB's get injured, had his #1 RB have age catch up to him and watched his rookie star LT have a poor sophomore slump. But you must be right, it is all his fault, most every fan thinks so and they must all be right. Crennel should have been able to solve all these problems facing the toughest schedule in the NFL without losing a beat.
If Lerner lets the fans rule him, this franchise had better get used to losing because we are never going to see a winner. If he also fires Savage, we'll start to return to the Butch Davis type of franchise and move back into the Oakland/Detroit type of team. Like I said, Crennel may be the sacrifical goat for everything that has gone bad this season facing the toughest schedule in the NFL, but solid owners know fans are fickle and weather the storm until he can see his oranization for another season with a better schedule.
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wow, didn't know he had it in him to get in a fight.

with a DT nonetheless.

probably called him ***.

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And as he began what could be his last week in Cleveland, Crennel had to address a physical altercation that took place last week between quarterback Brady Quinn and defensive end Shaun Smith.

According to WKYC-TV's Jim Donovan, who is also the team's play-by-play radio announcer, Smith punched Quinn in the face following a heated verbal exchange inside the team's weight room. Browns tight end Darnell Dinkins confirmed the fight during a radio interview on WQAL, saying Quinn's face was marked.
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Brady got his ass kicked. What a ***** made Qb. haha joking. Sucks though
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What I heard is thtat Smith (who is like the king of smack and trash talk) told Brady he wouldn't make it in the pros and they got in a skirmish and then Smith got suspended.
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Brady got his ass kicked. What a ***** made Qb. haha joking. Sucks though
actually, Brady got Smith in the face and that is the SOLE reason he didnt play in the Bengals game.
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Sounds like Pioli is the top target for the newly open GM job, and on ESPN they sound like he'll accept the job. Lots of buzz about a Pioli/Mangini combo or maybe a Pioli/McDaniels if not. I don't think Cowher would come here (and I'm not sad about it either). I would be content with either of those. With the New England connection thing still going on it would at least be a sign of some continuity even with Crennel and Savage fired. Mangini and Crennel have similar philosophies, though Mangini is more like Belichick as a coach than the players' coach Crennel was.
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ESPN said Cowher told Lerner he wasn't interested in coaching in 2009.
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Sounds like Pioli is the top target for the newly open GM job, and on ESPN they sound like he'll accept the job. Lots of buzz about a Pioli/Mangini combo or maybe a Pioli/McDaniels if not. I don't think Cowher would come here (and I'm not sad about it either). I would be content with either of those. With the New England connection thing still going on it would at least be a sign of some continuity even with Crennel and Savage fired. Mangini and Crennel have similar philosophies, though Mangini is more like Belichick as a coach than the players' coach Crennel was.
i really dont want McDaniels or Mangini. i dont want Mangini bc of the spygate thing and McDaniels b/c he is just like Chud. i want a guy that knows how to run the ball and stop the run. my next choice is R. Ryan. followed closely by Spagnulo and the titans D coordinator.

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thats true. and it makes me cry.
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I never wanted Cowher anyway personally. Lots of people were on that bandwagon all season, and it would be nice to have a proven successful head coach...but he's a Steelers great and I really could care less that we're not gonna have him. I would rather have a guy who becomes known for leading the Browns to greatness than a guy known for winning in Pittsburgh and coaching the Browns late in his career.

I agree about the philosophy Simmsy, run and stop the run. Oddly enough that was Crennel's style but we didn't do either very well the past 4 years, at least not over an extended period of time. Ryan would be a good hire, though hiring Mangini and Crennel as DC (awkward!) would be intriguing. Mangini isn't a players' coach like Crennel, he's more like Belichick where his players don't love him but he is smart and knows how to coach. I think if it wasn't those spoiled rotten media crazy New York fans that Mangini had to please he would still have a job and considered a good coach. The good thing about Pioli and McDaniels and Mangini at least is that they're young and they have Cleveland ties. Pioli and Mangini have something to prove as well.


...though Mangini and Pioli probably don't have as good a relationship after the whole Spygate thing. I think McDaniels and Jim Schwartz would be more realistic candidates for the HC job.
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Lerner expressed interest in filling the GM position first although he stated it wasn't set in stone. Lerner received permission to speak with Scott Pioli of New Engalnd and asked to speak with Bill Parcells as well. NFL.com reported that Floyd Reese, Charley Casserly and Tom Donahoe are also possibilities.

Floyd Reese = ex GM of the Titans from '94-'06. Known for drafting 3 RotY players in an 11 year gap or 27% of first round picks. The Rookies of the Year include Eddie George (1996), Jevon Kearse (1999) and Vince Young (2006). Reese is also known for drafting NFL co-MVP Steve McNair.

Charley Casserly = 16-year veteran NFL General Manager and 24-year NFL executive that worked for the Washington Redskins and Houston Texans.

I really hope Donahoe isn't considered though. Seriously =\

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Lerner said Crennel "was a gentleman through and through" during their Monday morning meeting and said that Crennel would consider a return to the Browns as an assistant coach under the right circumstances.
I know it would be odd, and mostly unrealistic, but I would be excited to have Crennel as a DC. He's a players guy which is what you want from a coordinator [I will admit that I wanted Crennel to get pissed like a HC should], he is a D guy, and has vast amount of knowledge of the 3-4. I don't think any of you can deny that with the defensive personal we had, for the amount of time they were on the field, the D did better then expected. Did better than what was on paper, especially not having the right pieces in place for a 3-4 to work.

Wimbley can't rush, Jackson is undersized and fits more of a 4-3 WOLB mold, Crennel had little say in the personal he was given [Bell being drafted].

I wish we drafted Ngata over Wimbley, I so very much wish that trade never happened.

I think I'm hoping for a:
GM - Scott Pioli
HC - Josh McDaniels
DC - Romeo Crennel
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The big question on my mind is if we'll be sticking with the 3-4 or switching to the 4-3. Personally I'm nervous about switching, since we've switched our defense up with linemen more oriented to the 3-4 and would have to make some major personel changes on defense if we do switch.

One scenerio of bringing in Pioli as GM and McDaniels from New England, which would possibly keep Romeo (and continuity) to our defense. If we do stick with the 3-4 in this case, I think Aaron Curry should be our top draft pick... he'd be ideal.
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Yes, if we stay with the 3-4 Curry needs to be the pick or at least very near the top of the board. If we go to a 4-3 then I think DE becomes a bigger need than linebacker (if it isn't already).
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We'll probably stick with a 3-4. Honestly I think it will be Beanie or Malcolm as much as I think it will be Curry. We need a RB maybe more than anything on the team and we need a CB as well.
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We'll probably stick with a 3-4. Honestly I think it will be Beanie or Malcolm as much as I think it will be Curry. We need a RB maybe more than anything on the team and we need a CB as well.
When I first saw SteelersTown posted in this thread I was thinking, "oh no a Steelers fan posted in the thread, what stupid thing did he say?" Then I saw all the "we" stuff and I got confused, then I realized that you just lost a bet.
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We'll probably stick with a 3-4. Honestly I think it will be Beanie or Malcolm as much as I think it will be Curry. We need a RB maybe more than anything on the team and we need a CB as well.
What was the bet BT. Also, when do you go back to normal =`[
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What was the bet BT. Also, when do you go back to normal =`[
Bet was Browns would sweep the Steelers or Steelers would sweep the Browns. Sig stays on until the superbowl, name goes back after this week.

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Sad part is, against the backups we probably would have won if Quinn or Anderson was in. We just had no offense.
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Sad part is, against the backups we probably would have won if Quinn or Anderson was in. We just had no offense.
If the game was closer then I might believe that but it was 31-0.
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Baltimore Ravens, Cincinnati Bengals, Pittsburgh Steelers, Denver Broncos, Kansas City Chiefs, Buffalo Bills, Chicago Bears, Detroit Lions.

Outside of our normal division, we play the AFC West and NFC North as well as the Bills and Jags based on where we finished this past season.

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Hey guys, theres a forum mock thats being set up if anybody is interested. There are still something like 12 GM spots available if people are interested.

For people that haven't participated in a forum mock in the past they should check it out, they are tons of fun.

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Well, it looks like Eric Mangini as Head Coach and George Kokinis as General Manager. Kokinis is the pro personnel guy in Baltimore (just like Savage was) and Mangini loves the guy. I would be glad if we hired Mangini, and getting Kokinis means HC/GM harmony, something we REALLY lacked with Crennel/Savage. Lerner should've let Savage have more say in the head coach than he did and then I think we'd still have Phil and whoever that HC would've been. Plain Dealer says if Mangini didn't get fired then Pioli would've had more leverage on us and we probably would've given up lots of power to him, which could've backfired. I hope Lerner's instincts about Mangini are correct.
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