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Old 12-16-2009, 03:30 PM    (permalink
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HaHa I've always liked the secondary even when Scott Wright was mocking us Jenkins but they've been unbearable to watch this season. Although I think that Steeler game may have been E.Wright's best ever. And i think McDonald would be ok if he could just make good on some of his opportunities to make up for his give ups.
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HaHa I've always liked the secondary even when Scott Wright was mocking us Jenkins but they've been unbearable to watch this season. Although I think that Steeler game may have been E.Wright's best ever. And i think McDonald would be ok if he could just make good on some of his opportunities to make up for his give ups.
Yeah, i forgot about E. Wright. Talented guy. Pool is also a good player. But damn, we need a true playmaker in the secondary.

I wouldn't mind drafting Eric Berry at all, no matter how high.
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eric wright is a keeper. I've always liked McDonald, and he's had some really good games...but is very inconsistent. I like him better in the 3rd corner role. We need a playmaker at safety and we need to develop another guy to replace Abram Elam for sure. It seems like everytime I get to see the Browns on primetime, McDonald has a good game (save for the Denver game).
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The only legit NFL starter in our secondary is Wright. I think the jury is still out on McDonald. The guy is obviously talented but is inconsistent and a liability in run support. At worst, I see McDonald as the nickelback but if he can become more consistent I can't see why he can't play opposite Wright. BMac and Wright (hell, even Poteat) played excellent against Pittsburgh and their coverage is one of the reasons we were able to pressure Ben so effectively.

The safeties are our biggest concerns. Pool might have a career ending concussion (but he needs replaced anyways).

I'm want to see Francies play more. He was a player I wanted late in the draft.
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Brodney Pool is a football ******.

Great physical tools, but has little to no idea how to use them.

Eric Wright is really good... I wish he'd tackle like he did against Pittsburgh all the time, but he's a great cover corner regardless.
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Holmgren not on Seattle's list.

Browns offer Holmgren $10M
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I wouldn't mind seeing Francies at FS. I wouldn't mind seeing any of him-from what I've read he's not seeing time because he doesn't have the playbook down/or missed assignments. Scouting on him projected him as a possible S. If Berry was the pick he'd have no problem playing SS.
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My sense with Hall is that he gets blocked too easily-not strong enough- that's why Trusnik stepped in. Trusnik looks like a great depth guy to me with the capability of improving into a solid vet. He's just not fast. I've been impressed with Roth since he broke out in Mia. I still haven't found an answer why he was released other than the injury bug. If he stays healthy and we stick with the 34 it's kind of like the Pats acquiring Vrabel from the Steelers.

Couldn't stand to watch L.Williams play-he was terrible imo and Roth is 10x better than Hall. Depth overall is okay but the secondary is very thin.
Alot of good points. I just think Hall has a ton of raw talent. He's very good at the 3-4 pass rush OLB.. I think he just can't cover. I heard Mangini loves guys that can do it all. Hall lacks that part of his game
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4757967

Seattle offered Holmgren a position and he declined it. Not as much power involved as the director of football operations ("football czar") position the Browns have offered to him. It would be more convenient for him to stay in Seattle since his family is all already settled in there, but the oppurtunity in Cleveland looks like it's gonna be too good for him to pass up in the end. This is good news for us.

Personally I think we need to have one guy to be the architect that builds the team ala Bill Parcells in Miami. This is what we were supposed to get in Scott Pioli last offseason but Lerner had "better" ideas in regards to having to have Mangini as his head coach. Let Mike Holmgren hire a GM and fill all of the leadership positions that need filling.
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Just wondering, did Ryan Pontbriand really just muff a snap? Really?
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No, the snap was good... Nick Sorenson was in the way and it bounced off his arm
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Oh thank god. Ryan Pontbriand is god to long snapping
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apparently we've been misusing harrison.
All they need to do is play a run defense as horrid as the Chiefs every week where Jerome Harrison looked like Timmy Smith running behind the Hogs in the Superbowl.

Alex Mack especially, but the OLine as a whole dominated and Harrison was rarely touched until the 2nd level and has the speed to make a team pay for it.
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All they need to do is play a run defense as horrid as the Chiefs every week where Jerome Harrison looked like Timmy Smith running behind the Hogs in the Superbowl.

Alex Mack especially, but the OLine as a whole dominated and Harrison was rarely touched until the 2nd level and has the speed to make a team pay for it.
Still, running for 286 yards is an impressive achievement. Lot of great O-Lines and RBs play lots of awful run defenses every week. Yet, Harrison had the third highest rushing yards ALL-TIME.

Give credit where credit is due to the Line and Harrison for an amazing game. And don't forget Brady Quinn, who forced us to call about 4000 runs so he didn't have to pass... ;-)
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Still, running for 286 yards is an impressive achievement. Lot of great O-Lines and RBs play lots of awful run defenses every week. Yet, Harrison had the third highest rushing yards ALL-TIME.

Give credit where credit is due to the Line and Harrison for an amazing game. And don't forget Brady Quinn, who forced us to call about 4000 runs so he didn't have to pass... ;-)
Quinn had a lousy passing performance but the way he managed the game was phenomenal. Remember that Quinn calls OLine adjustments and audibles.

On Quinn though, his throws near the sideline kill me every time. He's got to keep the ball in bounds. That first INT was a WTF moment. The second INT was disappointing, but at least KC had awful field position and Quinn was taking a shot and not checking down.
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yeah, it's quinn's stuff other than throwing yesterday that impressed me. He looked like stud NFL QB managing the game and running the ball on that 4th down. Too bad 90% of quarterbacking is throwing the ball. We need to give him more time, even though it doesn't look like he'll amount to much if those accuracy issues linger. Timing with the WRs is part of the problem, and that should be solved in an offseason of work.


Hank Fraley at right guard seems to work eh? If only we had a solid right tackle our OLine would be fierce. Matt Roth and Corey Williams are two nice late bright spots this year on defense. We need to hang onto Roth.
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On Quinn though, his throws near the sideline kill me every time. He's got to keep the ball in bounds. That first INT was a WTF moment. The second INT was disappointing, but at least KC had awful field position and Quinn was taking a shot and not checking down.
It's true. But at the end of the day, as an NFL QB, you have to be the complete package. College QBs get by with really excelling at one of these things: Throwing, leadership, mobility, understanding the game and so forth. An NFL starter needs the total package, period.

And, like you, Quinns throws make me cringe at times. A lot of it HAS to be mental, though. The guy came out of college with great accuracy and an arm able to make (nearly) every NFL throw. He now has 3 years of pro-practice in him. I can see no reason why his throwing ability might have degressed other than it being mental.

We will probably give him a shot next year anyway, since there is no QB in this draft I can see starting right away in the NFL. So even if we draft one, Quinn willl most likely start next year.
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And, like you, Quinns throws make me cringe at times. A lot of it HAS to be mental, though. The guy came out of college with great accuracy and an arm able to make (nearly) every NFL throw. He now has 3 years of pro-practice in him. I can see no reason why his throwing ability might have degressed other than it being mental.

We will probably give him a shot next year anyway, since there is no QB in this draft I can see starting right away in the NFL. So even if we draft one, Quinn willl most likely start next year.
2nd OC in 3 years. Unneeded QB competition. Inexperienced WRs. And until lately really no TE to rely on this year.

Hopefully this offseason, DA is shipped out and Quinn is told from the start that it's his team.

I agree with you guys saying that his leadership abilities is great and he also handles the no huddle very well for only having 10(?) starts now.

I also fear that we may see another OC next year as well furthering any setbacks with his development.
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Here is an AFC North blog prediction: Donít be surprised if Jim Zorn lands with the Cleveland Browns in some capacity next year. Yes, Zorn is currently the head coach of the Washington Redskins. But it's the worst-kept secret in the league that heís on the outs and Washington is eyeing Mike Shanahan. With Mike Holmgren expected to take over the Browns this week, Zorn could be among the first people he recruits in the offseason, most likely as a quarterbacks coach, which is Zorn's specialty. Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn has been through a lot of adversity and transition already in his young career. So Quinn could use a steady hand.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/pos...n-step-drop-33
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now the question shifts to will Mangini's title as Cleveland Browns Head Coach survive the winter?
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I'm glad to see Quinn looking decent finally, it's taken some stability, but I hope you guys get him some weapons in the draft. I really didn't think Crabtree would of been a bad pick for you guys, but hopefully you can address the right side of the line and at least get a few weapons.


I know the defense is terrible, but I'd put a priority on trying to protect Quinn and getting some play-makers, you can't do everything in one off-season.
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I was in the camp that said draft Crabtree if Curry was gone, but since we traded down and took the great pickt that was Alex Mack (who is really coming into his own as a dominating center), it's okay. Quinn has actually looked really awful throwing the ball against Pittsburgh and Kansas City, but a lot of that has to do with timing and lousy receivers - not just his erratic accuracy. We do need a right tackle and some playmakers in the passing game for Quinn though. The only thing we've been missing the past few weeks is....any sort of passing attack whatsoever.
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I was in the camp that said draft Crabtree if Curry was gone, but since we traded down and took the great pickt that was Alex Mack (who is really coming into his own as a dominating center), it's okay. Quinn has actually looked really awful throwing the ball against Pittsburgh and Kansas City, but a lot of that has to do with timing and lousy receivers - not just his erratic accuracy. We do need a right tackle and some playmakers in the passing game for Quinn though. The only thing we've been missing the past few weeks is....any sort of passing attack whatsoever.
Absolutely. I mean we could have picked a lot of guys, since we actually have needs nearly everywhere. In hindsight though, the Alex Mack pick was quite awesome.
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