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Old 12-22-2009, 07:28 AM    (permalink
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I know the defense is terrible, but I'd put a priority on trying to protect Quinn and getting some play-makers, you can't do everything in one off-season.
This has been my thinking lately as well. Add talent to the offense and give Quinn a chance to develop next year with a great Oline and running game and a full off season to work with his receivers.

I'm a Quinn fan, and want to see him do well, but if it just doesn't work after that, the pieces will be in place, at least on offense, to draft a top QB. (I'm assuming that if Quinn doesn't work out, we will be drafting in the top half of Rd 1 again)

It's weird for me to talk like this since I'm usually a defense kind of guy, but I think the priority next year has to be finding out what we have in Quinn, WITHOUT any QB controversy distractions and a good unit around him.
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This has been my thinking lately as well. Add talent to the offense and give Quinn a chance to develop next year with a great Oline and running game and a full off season to work with his receivers.

I'm a Quinn fan, and want to see him do well, but if it just doesn't work after that, the pieces will be in place, at least on offense, to draft a top QB. (I'm assuming that if Quinn doesn't work out, we will be drafting in the top half of Rd 1 again)

It's weird for me to talk like this since I'm usually a defense kind of guy, but I think the priority next year has to be finding out what we have in Quinn, WITHOUT any QB controversy distractions and a good unit around him.
Agreed. I would love to see Quinn go through an entire offseason knowing he's the starter, can work consistently with the top WR's and gain some chemistry and find out what he has. The guy has less starts than Mark Sanchez.

Before the snap, Quinn is legit, after the snap he's inconsistent. Maybe more chemistry, more game experience and more confidence will improve, maybe we'll be in the same spot next year (most likely with better QB talent in Locker and Mallet).
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Brady Quinn has been put on the IR : (

Derek Anderson vs Charlie Frye this week. : D
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BTW, anyone want to bet that DA plays just barely well enough to f*ck us and we end up in another QB battle next season?
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Brady Quinn has been put on the IR : (

Derek Anderson vs Charlie Frye this week. : D
Was it when he fell/got tackled awkwardly on that bootleg? Foot/ankle/knee injury?

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What's the over/under on Anderson and Ratliff ending up on the IR and us signing someone off the street again?
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yeah, BQ hurt his right foot on that bootleg that set up the game winning TD run. I say if Anderson gets hurt (or if he plays like Derek Anderson always plays) then we should go wildcat fulltime, haha.
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yeah, BQ hurt his right foot on that bootleg that set up the game winning TD run. I say if Anderson gets hurt (or if he plays like Derek Anderson always plays) then we should go wildcat fulltime, haha.
Oh man. Tough blow... Just when you thought things are starting to click. I hope Derek Anderson gets his act together the last two games...

Derek Anderson being himself against the Raiders secondary will surely lead to approximately 10 picks...
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This week's game should be interesting. I'm starting Cribbs as my RB/WR for my ESPN Fantasy Team for the 3rd week in a row. In the event that Anderson AND Ratliff end up hurt, the game will be in Josh Cribbs' hands. He's listed as the #3 quarterback for this week.

My opinion, the Browns should have never let Gradkowski go after last year. Look at what he's done in Oakland. Sure he got hurt, but he looked really good throwing the ball and getting comfortable in the pocket. Hell, Mike Vick would have been an improvement for this team.

Look at what has plagued the Browns QB situation since Tim Couch/Kelly Holcomb. QB battles ruin the season. They need to name Quinn the starter so that he can develop that essential chemistry with the Browns' young receiver corps in the offseason.

The offseason should be really interesting. With Holmgren in charge, the Browns might grow some balls and go after some big-name free agents who can educate the young team. Cleveland is notorious for throwing young draft picks straight into the game without giving them ample time to learn the playbook.

In short...
1. Name Quinn the starter in the offseason, so that he can build that essential chemistry with his receiving corps.

2. Sign a couple big name, seasoned veterans from free agency. Veterans educate young team members including fresh draft picks.

3. Mangini stays, at least 1 more year. Give Eric Mangini the chance to show he can help bring the Browns to prominence. All these coaching changes affect the players too.

Just my $.02, take it for what it's worth
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This week's game should be interesting. I'm starting Cribbs as my RB/WR for my ESPN Fantasy Team for the 3rd week in a row. In the event that Anderson AND Ratliff end up hurt, the game will be in Josh Cribbs' hands. He's listed as the #3 quarterback for this week.

My opinion, the Browns should have never let Gradkowski go after last year. Look at what he's done in Oakland. Sure he got hurt, but he looked really good throwing the ball and getting comfortable in the pocket. Hell, Mike Vick would have been an improvement for this team.

Look at what has plagued the Browns QB situation since Tim Couch/Kelly Holcomb. QB battles ruin the season. They need to name Quinn the starter so that he can develop that essential chemistry with the Browns' young receiver corps in the offseason.

The offseason should be really interesting. With Holmgren in charge, the Browns might grow some balls and go after some big-name free agents who can educate the young team. Cleveland is notorious for throwing young draft picks straight into the game without giving them ample time to learn the playbook.

In short...
1. Name Quinn the starter in the offseason, so that he can build that essential chemistry with his receiving corps.

2. Sign a couple big name, seasoned veterans from free agency. Veterans educate young team members including fresh draft picks.

3. Mangini stays, at least 1 more year. Give Eric Mangini the chance to show he can help bring the Browns to prominence. All these coaching changes affect the players too.

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1. Agree

2. Not former Jets... there are 30 other teams we can get veterans from

3. Disagree. We don't keep Mangini because he fell ass backward into a winning streak. If Holmgren feels he can get a better coach, Gruden/ Cowher/ Mooch or any other candidate out there then Holmgren had to pull the trigger. If Holmgren has been impressed with what he's seen, then he will keep Mangini.
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I think Mangini can make this work. You can bet that if he stays, Holmgren will have ALOT of influence on what Mangini says/does/learns as the next few years progress. However, i would like to see Bill Cowher coach the Browns. its just sad that Coach Cowher said it right there on NFL Today that he was happy with retirement. Alot of new fans don't know that Bill Cowher used to be a Browns coach. It should be interesting to see which coaches go bye-bye after the season's over. I liked Romeo Crennel, but then again, I also liked Butch Davis. Look at what Crennel did for the Patriot's defense when he was there. Davis I don't think was ready to coach NFL.
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WTF?????

Jerome Harrison breaks Jim Brown's single game rushing record, 3rd best rushing day in NFL history, and doesn't get AFC offensive player of the week?????
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Jerome Harrison breaks Jim Brown's single game rushing record, 3rd best rushing day in NFL history, and doesn't get AFC offensive player of the week?????
Yeah, what a BS... If Peterson or Johnson would have put up those numbers in a game where their team needs a 40-burger to win, they'd won season MVP for that game alone.

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It's obvious by now that NFL executives/coaches like to bring in players they are familiar with. I was looking for current or ex Seahawks that would be entering free agency this year...

The three most notable names (IMO) are:
Rob Sims - G. 6'3" 312lbs, 26 years old. He's the current starting LG for Seattle. Became a starter late in his rookie season and full time starter the next three years. An Ohio boy and attended tOSU.

Chris Spencer - G. 6'3" 312lbs, 27 years old. Current starting RG for Seattle. Started 13/16 games in his second season and then became a full time starter the next three years. Was a center out of college (Mississippi) and was a first round draftee.

Ken Lucas - CB. 6' 205lbs, 30 years old. While not a starting caliber CB anymore, the 9 year pro could provide some veteran leadership and possibly an effective nickle/dimeback.
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Let me please interrupt the discussion the announce the following:

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, kids. I always appreciate the Cleveland Browns discussion around here.
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First off, Merry Christmas to everyone.

Now for the Browns Discussion,

Cleveland has some drastic changes coming. Holmgren is going to be the big cheese in Cleveland now. Mangini's job is in more danger than anyone knows. It's widely known that Holmgren is a West Coast offense guy, and I keep thinking that he is going to either make Mangini attempt to switch and coach the West Coast, or he's going to have Mangini fired and bring in someone who can.

As for the quarterback situation, I keep getting this gut feeling that somehow, some way, Charlie Frye is going to return to the Browns. All week long I have read article after article with Frye praising Holmgren and vice versa. Please note that Frye was mentored under Homgren for 2 years in Seattle. If Holmgren doesn't think Brady Quinn will pan out, expect to see him do something about it.

The Browns also need to solidify their position on their running game. Jerome Harrison and Chris Jennings are both good, solid running backs. A double-headed attack in the running game, along with a decent QB and the Browns un-developed young wide receivers, could be a great offensive threat. Get your young receivers matured and playing to professional standards, have a decent quarterback who can lead the offense, and use Harrison and Jennings in a double-headed running attack, and Cleveland could be a force to be reckoned with in a couple years.

As for the defense, Cleveland has alot of young players there too. What they were thinking by letting Andra Davis go is beyond me. Why would you let your best defensive veteran go? With Cleveland more than likely switching to a 4-3 defense next year, they are going to have to find another nose tackle that can match up alongside Shaun Rogers. With two big, decent, very athletic veterans in the middle, combine that with Robaire Smith(assuming he matures and develops into a decent DE) and possibly Kamerion Wimbley or Corey Williams opposite, the D-Line could be decent too. With all these linebackers the Browns have, somebody decent should erupt from there too, my personal favorite being Jason Trusnik, or as I like to call him, the "Mini-Me" to Mike Vrabel. The Browns also have a young secondary, but if they get a decent safety in the draft, and Brodney Pool comes back, Brandon McDonald and Eric Wright should be able to handle the conerback positions.

All in all, I see the Browns improving under Holmgren. It remains to be seen whether or not Holmgren is going to bring in a GM or do it himself. It should be interesting to keep an eye on the coaching situation as well as the next couple weeks unfold.
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Lerner buys out the remainder of tickets and donates them to charity to avoid a blackout. Second time Lerner has done this, this season!
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Quick notes on Holmgren's first press conference:

* Holmgren wants to have a consensous between the front heads on all decisions and he will be there to break any ties. He stated that he will push hard in certain directions and he ultimately has full power.
* Holmgren stated he's not a fan of the quick hook (in regards to firing a HC after one season) and that he doesn't believe a HC can prove himself in one season.
* Holmgren stated he gives credit to the coaching staff and players for the success the Browns had recently but will look at the season as a whole and wants to see progress.
* When asked about the QB situation, Holmgren stated that was something that will need to be asked later on down the road.
* Holmgren stated he will hire a GM and that he, the GM and the HC will look at the Browns and start planning on how to get them back on track. Holmgren believes Mangini and staff laid the foundation down regardless who the coaching staff is and that the Browns are something you can build apon, not blow up and rebuild.
* Holmgren stated the biggest reason he came to Cleveland was because of owner Randy Lerner.
* Holmgren will not coach in 2010.
* Holmgren wants a West Coast Offense and will lobby with his coach for it's implementation.
* Holmgren stated the most important thing he learned while he was GM/HC of Seattle was to make the important changes sooner than later.
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I say we try to get Nnamdi Asomugha from Oakland this off-season. Him opposite Wright in Rob Ryan's scheme and Berry/Mays floating in center field would take our Pass defense to near top.. couple that with a transition to a 4-3 and move KWimb to DE.. we could win with defense just by making a couple changes... LB's would be Roth, Jackson, Barton/Spikes/Bowens.. DL.. Wimbley, Coleman, Rogers, Williams.. That's enticing
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4 wins in a row. Please don't fire our coach.
My thoughts exactly.

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Good game guys. You may be on the way up.
Thanks Unseen. I liked how Jacksonville never gave up and they shook our hands after the game (unlike Pittsburgh who ran into the locker room embarrassed).
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Thanks, man.

Bittersweet ending. On the one hand I'm really happy that we won 4 games in a row, beat Pittsburgh and Eric Mangini made the best case possible. I honestly believe, that the guy did an outstanding job this year and I always supported what he did. Hopefully we keep him. This guy will be a household name in the NFL 15 years from now.

The team impressed me with an outstanding attitude. They presented themselves on the field like any athlete should: Despite "nothing" to play for they gave everything they got and acted like role models on the field. Lots of players improved over the whole season. There were guys coming from the practice squad, free agency or waiver wires and emerged as key contributors. One could really see the excellent work ethic and team spirit on sundays. For the first time since quite long I can again be proud of the team I have supported my whole life.

On the other hand, it looks like we lost Eric Berry. I wanted us to draft the guy. A good organisation should get good players and improve the team regardless of draft position, though.

What really concerns me is the Holmgren situation. We hired Holmgren right when the team started to turn the corner. Bad timing on Randy Lerners part, who has not attended a game since. How can you make such a hire in the middle of a season? Now we have a guy who is unproven as a GM / president on a 50 million $ deal. He will probably fire the coach after an excellent first rebuilding year. So chances are, we will go out and blow everything up again. I am seriously concerned that might happen.

For me the best case would be, that Holmgren hires a proven GM (whoever that may be), who can make the most of our 11 draft picks. Mangini and Holmgren will get on the same page so the coach can continue to establish the culture he has so far. Holmgren will NOT get into coaching or GM-ing at all and will concentrate on hiring the right guys.

Having said this, happy new year people.

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Sadly, a lot of media outlets are stating Mangini will not be back next year.

Also a lot of rumors that Zorn has already been contacted my Holmgren and will be apart of the Browns in some capacity.
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Holmgren press conference at 4. Holmgren stated in his last press he learned he needed to make the important decisions sooner than later.

Possible GM announced? Mangini's and/or staff's fate? Zorn on his way? News on contract situations with Cribbs, Harrison and/or Roth?
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