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The Browns defense took a leap forward once Rogers went on IR with a broken leg and Rubin stepped in.
Browns defense took a step forward because of the emergence of the running game behind Harrison, "only a returner" Cribbs and the Oline. See Jets for a better example.

Fellas on here amaze me. How anyone could watch what Cribbs did to the Steelers, our biggest win since re-conception, and view him as only a returner is beyond me. Key offensive plays as a RB/KR in all our 5 wins were made by Cribbs. He was clearly the only guy opponents feared all season until Harrison's late surge. He deserves a 2mill bonus for that Steeler game alone lol.

The guy may be in my sig but I'm looking objectively at our season. If this guy was not our mvp than who was? If this guy isn't arguably our best player than who is? And don't say Thomas, who didn't even have his best year to earn that all-pro praise. Jake Long might beg to differ.

Yeah lezz trade him.
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Browns defense took a step forward because of the emergence of the running game behind Harrison, "only a returner" Cribbs and the Oline. See Jets for a better example.

Fellas on here amaze me. How anyone could watch what Cribbs did to the Steelers, our biggest win since re-conception, and view him as only a returner is beyond me. Key offensive plays as a RB/KR in all our 5 wins were made by Cribbs. He was clearly the only guy opponents feared all season until Harrison's late surge. He deserves a 2mill bonus for that Steeler game alone lol.

The guy may be in my sig but I'm looking objectively at our season. If this guy was not our mvp than who was? If this guy isn't arguably our best player than who is? And don't say Thomas, who didn't even have his best year to earn that all-pro praise. Jake Long might beg to differ.

Yeah lezz trade him.
This is what I've been saying. I don't think you break the bank on him, but paying him for what he has done and what we hope he continues to do is fine with me. I would have no problem paying a man that can play up to 4 positions, 3 mil per year. That being said, if we were offered a high 1st round pick, I don't know how I would feel. Those are just so valuable, but then again so is the production and versatility of a proven commodity in Josh Cribbs. That's a tough one for me.
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You don't mind the Browns bringing in Holgren for up to 50 million dollars and Heckert for a hefty sum.. but you hate players making money?

Come on dude. Braylon was the "shining light" in their passing game? Are you serious? What passing game. Their passing game is WORSE since Edwards came over. You can say teams figured out Sanchez, or spin it however you want, but he hasn't done jack ****. Cotchery is a better receiver than Edwards there.

In their last 6 games they've cracked 200 yards ONCE. Sanchez has 4 tds and 10 interceptions! Including the last 2 games of the regular season where the colts and bengals laid down. In that same time, Edwards caught more than 3 balls one time, when he had 5.

How many times has Edwards dropped a touchdown since he's been there or has a pass thrown his way been picked off because he is out of position. TONS of times.

In the playoffs Edwards has 4 catches for 33 yards.

Is Massaquoi better than Edwards? No. But stop acting like we traded ******* Andre Johnson away.

Anderson is not a pro bowl QB anymore, its not ******* 2007, and Quinn sucks, so you cannot say Massaquoi had a good QB throwing to him.

We missed Winslow no doubt, but we weren't going anywhere this year or next year. Guy was a cancer in the locker room anyway. He might only play 1 or 2 more years.




Most important if we would've picked players that were worth a **** with those 2nd round picks YOU would have no argument.

If we would have gotten Loadholt at RT and McCoy at RB it'd be different.

Value was good, bad execution on draft picks.
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Come on dude. Braylon was the "shining light" in their passing game? Are you serious? What passing game. Their passing game is WORSE since Edwards came over. You can say teams figured out Sanchez, or spin it however you want, but he hasn't done jack ****. Cotchery is a better receiver than Edwards there.

In their last 6 games they've cracked 200 yards ONCE. Sanchez has 4 tds and 10 interceptions! Including the last 2 games of the regular season where the colts and bengals laid down. In that same time, Edwards caught more than 3 balls one time, when he had 5.

How many times has Edwards dropped a touchdown since he's been there or has a pass thrown his way been picked off because he is out of position. TONS of times.

In the playoffs Edwards has 4 catches for 33 yards.

Is Massaquoi better than Edwards? No. But stop acting like we traded ******* Andre Johnson away.

Anderson is not a pro bowl QB anymore, its not ******* 2007, and Quinn sucks, so you cannot say Massaquoi had a good QB throwing to him.

We missed Winslow no doubt, but we weren't going anywhere this year or next year. Guy was a cancer in the locker room anyway. He might only play 1 or 2 more years.




Most important if we would've picked players that were worth a **** with those 2nd round picks YOU would have no argument.

If we would have gotten Loadholt at RT and McCoy at RB it'd be different.

Value was good, bad execution on draft picks.
Could that be because they were dominating teams on the ground?

Edwards was a cancer in the locker room b/c guys like YOU got pissed that he had the audacity (Obama vocab word) to punch Lebron's friend in the face. OMG! He's a horrible person.

It doesn't matter to me how those picks panned out. You DO NOT trade know talent for draft picks. That is the dumbest thing ever thought of. If you have a known commodity.. a 6'5 wideout who runs in the 4.4's and has the leaping ability to have a chance on any jump ball you DO NOT trade him away for a draft pick. Dradt picks, as the Browns franchise has know since 1999 are a crap shoot. You are not guaranteed any production out of your picks. So when you get a Wideout who has the ability to be one of the best b/c of his size, speed, leaping ability, and hands on impossible catches (bengals, steelers) you have to hold onto that... I think DA and Brady would rather have seen Kellen and Braylon out there instead of Robert Royal/ Evan Moore Chansi Stuckey and MoMass. Get real dude.
Don't let your hate for Braylon think we are better off without him than we were with him.
P.S. Braylon had a drop problem coming out of college, he had a drop problem his rookie year, he had a drop problem his sophmore year, he had a drop problem his PRO BOWL year, he had a drop problem last year (And that's when you started catching onto it, you moron) He had a drop problem this year...
I'd rather have Braylon who has the ability to put up 1000 yard seasons and 80 receptions with 12 drops (I think that's his career high) then MoMass who can MAYBE reach 900 in a contract year and MoMass will still get you 12 drops.. he was dropping passes all year.

Cotchery had 10 more receptions than Edwards and 140 yards more receiving. He also had one less TD than Braylon.. I'd say the two are pretty similar.
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Braylon is 6'3" and he can't catch. He had 16 drops last year
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Could that be because they were dominating teams on the ground?

Edwards was a cancer in the locker room b/c guys like YOU got pissed that he had the audacity (Obama vocab word) to punch Lebron's friend in the face. OMG! He's a horrible person.

It doesn't matter to me how those picks panned out. You DO NOT trade know talent for draft picks. That is the dumbest thing ever thought of. If you have a known commodity.. a 6'5 wideout who runs in the 4.4's and has the leaping ability to have a chance on any jump ball you DO NOT trade him away for a draft pick. Dradt picks, as the Browns franchise has know since 1999 are a crap shoot. You are not guaranteed any production out of your picks. So when you get a Wideout who has the ability to be one of the best b/c of his size, speed, leaping ability, and hands on impossible catches (bengals, steelers) you have to hold onto that... I think DA and Brady would rather have seen Kellen and Braylon out there instead of Robert Royal/ Evan Moore Chansi Stuckey and MoMass. Get real dude.
Don't let your hate for Braylon think we are better off without him than we were with him.
P.S. Braylon had a drop problem coming out of college, he had a drop problem his rookie year, he had a drop problem his sophmore year, he had a drop problem his PRO BOWL year, he had a drop problem last year (And that's when you started catching onto it, you moron) He had a drop problem this year...
I'd rather have Braylon who has the ability to put up 1000 yard seasons and 80 receptions with 12 drops (I think that's his career high) then MoMass who can MAYBE reach 900 in a contract year and MoMass will still get you 12 drops.. he was dropping passes all year.

Cotchery had 10 more receptions than Edwards and 140 yards more receiving. He also had one less TD than Braylon.. I'd say the two are pretty similar.
So let's go in order:

1. The difference between the Pro Bowl year and the other years is that in between the drops, was production. To the tune of 1300 yds and 16 TDs. Braylon has never reached 900 yards, except for that Pro Bowl season.

2. Personal attacks. That's low. They are not allowed, and nobody attacked you, just disagreed with your opinion.

3. How can you claim to know that MoMass will only be able to reach 900 yards in a contract year? He has only played 1 year so far and has never played for a new contract. There is no merit to any part of that statement.
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Most important if we would've picked players that were worth a **** with those 2nd round picks YOU would have no argument.

If we would have gotten Loadholt at RT and McCoy at RB it'd be different.

Value was good, bad execution on draft picks.
this is a good point. It's too early to judge how good Massaqoui or Veikune or Robiskie are, but there are definitely second round picks both this past year and every year who are worth while. The value was good in the Winslow trade, it's just a matter of getting the right guy. I think in the end Massaquoi will be a career #2 WR in the NFL. Guys like Jarius Byrd, Phil Loadholt, Louis Delmas are current/future pro bowlers taken in round 2.
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...regarding Edwards, he's a guy you don't want on your team. He fusses and causes problems in the locker room, he gets paid well more than he's worth, and he drops passes more than anyone else in the league. Getting a 3rd and 5th round pick or whatever is not just worth his value, getting rid of him for nothing has a positive impact in itself. The guy replacing him might not get as open as much or have as good of stats, but he's less likely to drop it and won't be as big a distraction in the locker room.
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Whatever fos.

You can trade talent when the production disappears and the guy kills the locker room. He's always been a prick. I've hated him since he complained about the Browns fans booing him since he was from Michigan. Really Braylon? They booed you when you couldn't catch the ball anymore.

He wanted out. He was dogging it here when we started to lose. If you don't want to be here and play hard, get the f out. We can replace your 700 yards. If he returns to pro bowl form one day, fine. He wouldn't have here.

It's like Moss in Oakland, except Braylon was way shittier. You think if Moss stayed in Oakland he ever would've revived his career? He quit, got a trade, and that's the way it goes sometimes.

I didn't mind Winslow nearly as much. He played hard all the time for us. I think the injury thing, with his contract, and Mangini's philosophy was just a bad mix.

By the way I'm not a moron. For you to say Edwards is some godsend to the Jets just isn't correct, and there are no stats or evidence to make that case. Teams weren't exactly lining up for Edwards if you remember. No one would even offer a No. 2 for him. If he's such a stud #1 guy, wouldn't teams do that? If you don't trade talent for a draft pick, then why wouldn't the giants or any other team give us a #2 for him? The giants decided they'd rather have fing Hakeem Nicks!

Its unfair to compare him to Massaquoi, the trade wasn't made with the thought that he was better than Edwards. We didn't trade Winslow thinking Robert Royal would be the answer either.
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Where would you guys put Eric Wright as far as CB rankings go? I don't see a lot of the Browns on tv but the few times I thought if he had a better surrounding cast he would shine.
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Eric Wright is good and getting better. He's a real threat as a cover corner to get INTs and the second half of the season really came on as a tackler too.

He's the best, young player on the Browns defense. If the Browns pair him with Haden, they would have a sick corner duo for a very long time.
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Eric Wright is good and getting better. He's a real threat as a cover corner to get INTs and the second half of the season really came on as a tackler too.

He's the best, young player on the Browns defense. If the Browns pair him with Haden, they would have a sick corner duo for a very long time.
I would agree he's our best young player on defense but for what it's worth the Browns ranked 31st total and 29th in pass defense-that's while getting 40 sacks for 8th in the league. I'd say he's a solid CB now, probably in the top 20, with a chance this season being good, and nearing the top 12 because so many of the best are getting older.
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I would agree he's our best young player on defense but for what it's worth the Browns ranked 31st total and 29th in pass defense-that's while getting 40 sacks for 8th in the league. I'd say he's a solid CB now, probably in the top 20, with a chance this season being good, and nearing the top 12 because so many of the best are getting older.
Mike Adams was a safety playing corner, Mike Furrey is a wide receiver playing safety, to put it kindly Brandon McDonald is inconsistent, Hank Poteat is awful, and Abram Elam is an in-the-box safety

They threw at everyone else but Wright. Those statistics are absolutely meaningless.
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Haden and Wright would be a great start in the secondary. We'd still need a free safety, but it's a lot easier to find a good safety than it is to find two great young corners. Wright really came on last year as the season went on.
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DT Cory Williams has been traded to the Detroit Lions for a mid round draft pick. It's still unknown if the pick is this year or next years. It's being rumored that Williams would have been cut if this trade didn't go down.

Also, 6 Browns tendered at the second round tender:

Abe Elam, Jerome Harrison, Jason Trusnik, D'Qwell Jackson, Lawrence Vickers and Matt Roth.

Three Browns have been tendered in which we will have exclusive rights to:

Marcus Benard, Blake Costanzo and Chris Jennings.

Brodney Pool and Greg Estandia have officially become free agents.
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Cribbs signs three-year contract.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/03/05/brow...year-contract/
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Browns sign LB Scott Fujita and RT Tony Pashos. Pashos is looking to be the early favorite for starting RT. His contract is a 3 yr 10.3 Mil deal and the specifics on Futita's deal hasn't surfaced yet.

Looks like Hadnot is visiting with Denver and Pool is visiting with St. Louis.

Also it's rumored that we have shown interest in RB Mike Bell from New Orleans and QB David Carr from New York Giants. There was also talk on a Buffalo radio show about a Derek Anderson for Trent Edwards trade.
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With all of the talk about trading Quinn, who or what would you like to see the Browns get for him?

Before they signed Ben Watson, I was thinking about a possible trade with Denver: Quinn for Tony Scheffler, with some draft picks thrown in to even it out.

I have also heard that Carolina likes Quinn, and he could compete with Moore for the starting QB position there. It has been said that when the Panthers tendered CB Richard Marshall at the 2nd round level, that they were doing so in hopes of letting him go and get some compensation. Don't know if that is true, but how about a trade of Quinn and a lower pick (4th/5th) for Marshall?

On another note, do you think the Browns should try for O.J. Atogwe as a replacement for Pool at FS? It would require no compensation, the only thing the Rams could do is match the offer sheet. If they got Atogwe and somehow Eric Berry fell to the 7th spot, that would be a serious improvement, in my mind, over Pool and Elam. What do you think?
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I don't think Quinn will be traded because they will not get enough for him and his cap number is pretty low, so money isn't an issue. I just don't think the league thinks much of him right now.

We need a free safety, but that's where Eric Berry would go if we got him.
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I don't think Quinn will be traded because they will not get enough for him and his cap number is pretty low, so money isn't an issue. I just don't think the league thinks much of him right now.

We need a free safety, but that's where Eric Berry would go if we got him.
Denver Traded for Quinn today, and gave you Peyton Hillis and 2 draft picks, no word on what round those picks are in.

Hopefully Hillis gets the chance to play over there, as he was in McD's doghouse for some reason. He showed amazing potential as a rookie, and hopefully it can be fulfilled with Cleveland.
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Hillis is a good fit in the backfield with Jerome Harrison, who did very well last year. If the O-line does their job, it will be tough to defend that combination of quick/fast (Harrison) and speed/power (Hillis). The H & H backfield.
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Hillis, Harrison, Vickers, Cribbs, Davis, and Jennings is a pretty decent backfield I think. Lots of babbling about Quinn on the NFL forum but what we did was get rid of a guy who stunk last year that none of the coaches or personnel guys liked and upgraded at QB with Delhomme and Wallace (even if Delhomme sucks we have Seneca to fallback on) and I think the odds of those two veterans being as bad as Quinn/Anderson are very low.

We have 12 picks including three 3rds and I think four 5ths plus a 1st and 2nd (and tradeable guys like Jackson and Rogers) so if we want to trade up to get Sam Bradford or Jimmy Clausen we probably have the ammo to do so. I think the Rams will get so enamored with Bradford that they'll make the price for the #1 pick unreachable.
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