Looking back at the 04 draft: QBs

[bills_red]

Originally Posted by Space Ghost

I wouldn't bother putting Losman in 04 and Rivers in 04 or 05 for obvious reasons.

Agree, but I did

[WinslowBodden]

I don't get how you can't pick Roethlisberger, he was the 10th pick (I had him going 3rd to the Cardinals) and he led his team to the superbowl (He didn't do very much in the super bowl however)

[someone447]

The QB gets WAY too much credit when their team wins the Super Bowl. Why not the running back? He is just as important as the QB, without a running game you can't win. Look at Dan Marino. It is a team sport, number of rings shouldn't be considered when talking about who is better. I would take Marino over Bradshaw any day. I say:
Rivers
Manning
Roethlskhdgo;asghosadghosadghosapdghosgrger
Losman

[princefielder28]

I always thought Big Ben, even before draft day, was going to be the best of the four and I can assume I'm right for the time being. He does have a ring and he will recover nicely this year. He had a rough year last year with his own injuries and team injuries but he'll be fine.

[YAYareaRB]

What if his name was Eli Weathersby?

[GiantRutgersFan]

Rivers cant make the big plays. he is the king of throwing to Tomlinson at 2 yards, then Tomlinson busting it out for a huge run. Rivers would have had a QB rating below 40 in the playoff game if not for Tomlinson making that huge run off a nothing pass.....

[buckeyes12]

you can say that Big Ben is better than Eli because he did win a superbowl, and MAYBE Rivers because SD went 14-2. But he doesnt have a playoff win, neither does Eli.

but JP LOSMAN!? Absolutely nothing to show for at all. If you consider him better than Eli Manning then you have some problems.

Originally Posted by YAYareaRB

What if his name was Eli Weathersby?

Probably would have gone just as high. He was a great prospect

[Space Ghost]

My personal rankings are:

1. Ben Roethlisberger
2. Philip Rivers
3. JP Losman
4. Eli Manning

Big Ben is number one for me because he is the most mature of the four and has played in the most games and had the most success. He had posted great career numbers until this year when he had to throw more often then he is accustomed to and was probably in worse shape than he let on after the surgery, accident and injury. He had a bad season this year, but is the most proven so far and has had the most success.

Rivers had a great year this year in a quarterback friendly system, but he had his bumps late in the season and had a couple awful games. He had the best quarterback rating of the bunch this season and made the pro bowl but didn't play due to injury. He is the least experienced in the NFL but had the most preparation for his NFL debut.

JP Losman was statistically the second best of the bunch this year for the Bills wither perhaps the least talent and worst offensive line. He had a fantastic season, especially after the bye week where he started to get hot. He made some comebacks and got the Bills to a 7-9 record. He had his few bad games like everyone else did this year, most notably that game in Chicago, that was a bad day...

Eli Manning has been the most inconsistent player probably. He hasn't really even been able to pull out a good stretch of games to look at ass successful. He had the worst year of all the quarterbacks this year in my opinion because he didn't go through what Roethlisberger did and he still came up empty.

EDIT.

I guess I kind of missed the point of this thread though after that. The best pick in the draft of these four was Ben Roethlisberger. Both at the time of the draft and now. At the time of the draft I had the rankings as Manning/Roethlisberger/Rivers/Losman and Ben lasted until the Steelers pick and they got a steal. They also got the most production the earliest and also got a Super Bowl with him, I don't think you can argue that Ben wasn't the best pick, especially when Manning and Rivers weren't necessarily drafted by their teams so you kind of have to eliminate them.

[asmitty45]

Gotta be roethlisberger, he's the only one who has won anything.

Eli, JP and Rivers havent done anything in the postseason and thats when it counts

[niel89]

Originally Posted by Philliez01

I like Eli Manning, I think most of his problems are just mental. He can correct them though, I know namesake got him some more recognition but I think some people are a bit too hard on him. He also needs to find consistency but once he does that, he'll be a pretty good QB.

Rivers played well this season and some of his late-season "struggles" can be directed at the Lis Franc sprain he suffered. It didn't hurt to have a record-breaking RB right behind him either. I also think he'll be a fine QB and this season really proved that. Once Jackson emerges. . . . .

Roethlisberger had to throw a little too much in the beginning of the season. He is a decent QB, hardly one of the best but I think that he's just going to be decent. He'll manage the game well, so to speak.

Losman really came a long way this season. He went from possibly being benched in favor of Craig Nall to being one of the promising players in the league. I think this year will really do well for him, if he develops even more. I don't think he's the best QB yet in this draft but we can start looking at him more seriously than we did before.

Craig nall:



his touchdowns are worth double

Craig Nall might be apart of a line of Qb's who have had sucess after backing up Favre.

Brunell
Warner(Though he never made it out of training camp)
Hassleback
Brooks
Nall???

[mpindo3]

Originally Posted by GiantRutgersFan

Rivers cant make the big plays. he is the king of throwing to Tomlinson at 2 yards, then Tomlinson busting it out for a huge run. Rivers would have had a QB rating below 40 in the playoff game if not for Tomlinson making that huge run off a nothing pass.....

Spoken like someone who didn't watch a Chargers game this year. But hey, I'll give you that if you concede that Eli is the king of the chunk-it-jump-ball-to-plax throw. And did you actually watch the playoff game? yeah, the same one where his receivers had 7 dropped passes and he STILL had a comparable game to Tom "golden boy" Brady. Bring a coherent argument or shut up.

and for the record, my opinion at the moment is ben, philip, eli, jp.

[art vandelay]

Roethislberger was a glorified game manager when he won the Super Bowl. As soon as he was forced to throw more to bring his team back in games he threw dumb INT's.

[art vandelay]

Is this thread saying which QB had the most value at their pick or who is the best QB out of all of them?

I'll just rank them as quarterbacks, not as picks:

1. Phillip Rivers
2. Big Ben
3. JP Losman
4. Eli Manning

Originally Posted by GiantRutgersFan

Rivers cant make the big plays. he is the king of throwing to Tomlinson at 2 yards, then Tomlinson busting it out for a huge run. Rivers would have had a QB rating below 40 in the playoff game if not for Tomlinson making that huge run off a nothing pass.....

If you would have watched the Chargers this year you woud know he led us back 5 times and in two consecutive games brought us back when we were down by 17 or more. He also had the best 4th quarter QB rating in the NFL all year, something like 116. So what are you talking about? Really?

edit: Also, he had a BUNCH of long pass plays to both Vincent Jackson and Malcolm Floyd. He can make the big play.

Also, consider that we got Philip Rivers, Shawne Merriman, and Nate Kaeding in that trade people. We CLEARLY made the best pick.

[njx9]

Originally Posted by myinnerself

If you would have watched the Chargers this year you woud know he led us back 5 times and in two consecutive games brought us back when we were down by 17 or more. He also had the best 4th quarter QB rating in the NFL all year, something like 116. So what are you talking about? Really?

edit: Also, he had a BUNCH of long pass plays to both Vincent Jackson and Malcolm Floyd. He can make the big play.

counting the denver game is misleading and very nearly a compelte misrepresentaiton of the stats. larry coyer had more to do with that win than rivers. jake plummer had more to do with that win than rivers.

Originally Posted by njx9

counting the denver game is misleading and very nearly a compelte misrepresentaiton of the stats. larry coyer had more to do with that win than rivers. jake plummer had more to do with that win than rivers.

No, it is NOT misleading. Even if you don't consider that game he led us back 4 times and absolutely drove us down the field over and over against the Bengals in that amazing comeback. He makes big plays, period.

[njx9]

Originally Posted by myinnerself

No, it is NOT misleading. Even if you don't consider that game he led us back 4 times and absolutely drove us down the field over and over against the Bengals in that amazing comeback. He makes big plays, period.

it's not misleading because he did other things that aren't really related to that particular statement? cool.

let me know when he's won more playoff games than eli.

[bucknut12]

Originally Posted by Donno

Philip Rivers has shown he can handle some pressure after Brees left, look at Rothlisberger this year no one has talked about him. Big Ben did win the big one but still.

Ben should have sat the year out.

He got in a wreck and he was almost killed.

He then had an appendectomy.

Ben is the best QB. He just wasn't 100% this year.

[AlexDown]

Originally Posted by cardsalltheway

Probably would have gone just as high.

No he woulden't have.

Originally Posted by njx9

it's not misleading because he did other things that aren't really related to that particular statement? cool.

let me know when he's won more playoff games than eli.

Haha, considering neither have won a playoff game, let me know when Eli has over a 90 passer rating and over 60% completions. Thanks!

[njx9]

Originally Posted by myinnerself

Haha, considering neither have won a playoff game, let me know when Eli has over a 90 passer rating and over 60% completions. Thanks!

December 3rd at Dallas. any other questions you could've easily looked up for yourself?