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Old 11-06-2007, 01:48 AM    (permalink
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Anyone who thinks that we should be frightened of either 3 WR sets or of the Giants running game is tricking themselves.

Right now, they are running the ball well and playing solid defense--especially in limiting big passing plays. But they do not have a 3rd WR that we should be afraid of, and neither one of their RBs are anything above the average starter in the NFL.

That isn't to say that they are not capable of hurting us through either means, but we shouldn't and won't need to game plan against them. To me, this game is about two main things: 1) Keeping the pass rush off of Romo and allowing him the time he needs to find his recievers while limiting big plays from their defense and 2) How Eli feels the day of the game. Eli regularly plays his best ball against us, and Plaxico brings it hard, too. If both of these guys are on their game, and they are gettting regular heat with the pass rush, it is going to take sheer dominance in ever other phase of the game in order for us to win it.

Those, imo, are the two most significant factors.
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Anyone who thinks that we should be frightened of either 3 WR sets or of the Giants running game is tricking themselves.

Right now, they are running the ball well and playing solid defense--especially in limiting big passing plays. But they do not have a 3rd WR that we should be afraid of, and neither one of their RBs are anything above the average starter in the NFL.

That isn't to say that they are not capable of hurting us through either means, but we shouldn't and won't need to game plan against them. To me, this game is about two main things: 1) Keeping the pass rush off of Romo and allowing him the time he needs to find his recievers while limiting big plays from their defense and 2) How Eli feels the day of the game. Eli regularly plays his best ball against us, and Plaxico brings it hard, too. If both of these guys are on their game, and they are gettting regular heat with the pass rush, it is going to take sheer dominance in ever other phase of the game in order for us to win it.

Those, imo, are the two most significant factors.
People fail to realize its not so much about our RBs as it is our O-line. People love to say Jacobs is an average back. He may be. But when running behind our O-line the rushing attack as a whole is well more than above average. I think besides Adrian Peterson, Jacobs had the most rushing yards in the NFL in October. He is averaging 5.6 a carry. Anyone who dimisses our rushing attack because Jacobs is nothing above the average starter in the NFL, is just being foolish.

As for the 3 WR set. I agree, we really don't know if we have a 3rd WR to be afraid of. Steve Smith will be back after only playing in 1 game this season. I brought it up as a set that I want the Giants to run out of.
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I don't know Jug....the 3 WR set means either Hedgecock or Shockey aren't in there blocking and they have both been just as much to credit as the O-line for our running game success.
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I don't know Jug....the 3 WR set means either Hedgecock or Shockey aren't in there blocking and they have both been just as much to credit as the O-line for our running game success.
More Shockey than Hedgecock deserves the credit. He completely seals off the outside.
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I think the key for the passing game is going to be Shockey. We aren't going to get another game from Plax like we did week 1 and Shock usually plays well against Dallas. He needs to get involved early and make things happen.
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If Roy comes out of this game without surrendering the deep ball, then he needs to get major props. I don't think he's been burnt deep all year yet.
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He hasn't been put in the position to get beat deep as much as the past, correct? Hamlin has been playing most of the CF.
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That is true. Amazing what scheme can do, to hide a player's weaknesses, huh. To Wade's credit, he's done something Parcells could never figure out. Roy still covers TEs, and WR under routes, so we'll see what kind of containment he can do on Sunday.
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That is true. Amazing what scheme can do, to hide a player's weaknesses, huh. To Wade's credit, he's done something Parcells could never figure out. Roy still covers TEs, and WR under routes, so we'll see what kind of containment he can do on Sunday.
Cause Parcells is stubborn. If it was up to him there is no doubt in my mind that Williams would have been gone and replaced with a player of his choosing.
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Shockey usually has his way with Roy...thats another reason I think he needs to be the center of our passing attack.
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We'll see about that.
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Plax normally has his way with him too.
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So is it safe to assume that Roy Williams is the football equivalent of a *****?
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***** = Perenial Pro Bowl Safety? Then yeah.
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***** = Perenial Pro Bowl Safety? Then yeah.
Larry Allen made the pro bowl the last couple of years too. Doesn't mean he deserved them.
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Larry Allen made the pro bowl the last couple of years too. Doesn't mean he deserved them.
Stop being a hater. Roy didn't have the same kind of history of going that LA had.
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Stop being a hater. Roy didn't have the same kind of history of going that LA had.
This is true. Both made the pro bowl undeservingly but for different reasons. Allen for being a HOF player although he didn't play like a pro bowler anymore but was still being recognized. And Roy for....well actually I have no logical reason why Roy would be a pro bowler.
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This is true. Both made the pro bowl undeservingly but for different reasons. Allen for being a HOF player although he didn't play like a pro bowler anymore but was still being recognized. And Roy for....well actually I have no logical reason why Roy would be a pro bowler.
...then who was the snub?
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He's a hard hitting DE..

What's that, Roy Williams is a safety? Get the **** out of here! ;)
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i'm gonna try to do a writeup breaking this game down. i want it to be long and detailed. and of course, unbiased. i'll see if i can get it up by thursday.


but from what ive read so far, i think both sides are taking the other's strengths for granted.

alot has changed since the last time we met. and alot is still the same. i'll try to get that writeup done if i have free time.
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Chris Canty has not surrendered any deep balls either ........ but burnt? Yes, check week 1 tape.
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actually Watkins is the Cover 1 safety
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...then who was the snub?
Wilson, Sharper, Mike Brown (when healthy), Sean Taylor last year played SS, Landry this year ........

Roy is not a safety by any definition and less so this year. He is playing LB.

Only time he played safty was week one -- once WP saw those ballet moves he performs in coverage was enuff for WP to rethink his coverage schemes.......
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What's that, Roy Williams is a safety? Get the **** out of here! ;)
Roy is a can of gasoline back there. Safety is a misnomer.
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Checked Week 1 Tape. No burnage.
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