2011 Chicago Bears General Discussion - Page 107

k0ng · 12-30-2008, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

Not surprisingly Jerry Angelo brought the lumber today, saying that Kyle Orton still has more to prove (so probably no extension), they will look to bring in competition, that other highly paid veterans did not perform this year, and that he wasn't satisfied with Bob Babich.

And it sounds like Rod Marinelli will be on the staff in some capacity, perhaps as defensive coordinator.

Nothing to surprising there. Babich seems lost and I believe most of our defensive problems start with him. I'd be ok with Marinelli.

BeerBaron · 12-30-2008, 02:06 PM

I'm not sure I want Marinelli as DC. He has no experience in that position going straight from Tampa DL coach to Detroit HC.

I'd take him on as DL coach/assitant HC as has been talked about before but I'd rather see if we can find someone experienced in working with the entire defense as strict DC.

bearsfan_51 · 12-30-2008, 02:31 PM

I'm sure Marinelli has a full understanding of the defense, and is on the same page as Lovie. If that's the direction they want to go I'd be fine with it. He's certainly more qualified than Babich.

Smokey Joe · 12-30-2008, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

Not surprisingly Jerry Angelo brought the lumber today, saying that Kyle Orton still has more to prove (so probably no extension), they will look to bring in competition, that other highly paid veterans did not perform this year, and that he wasn't satisfied with Bob Babich.

And it sounds like Rod Marinelli will be on the staff in some capacity, perhaps as defensive coordinator.

I think Babich is as good as gone, at least as the DC. We can deal with a middle of the pack O and Ron Turner because offense isn't suppossed to be our game, but when the D turns south, thats when there's gonna be change. Even if not as DC, Mirinelli will likely be on the coaching staff next season in some capacity. I know some people don't think Mirinelli as DC is a good idea, but honestly, how much worse can he be then Babich?

Sounds like Vasher's on the hot seat. JA made it clear he was happy with Urlacher, and that Harris improved a lot as the season went on. So that leaves Vasher, Tillman, and Hester. Vasher might actually be more of a possible cut then I originally though.

As for QB, I think it's safe to say Grossman will be gone, and that we will likely either sign Collins or Garcia, or trade a late round pick for a cheap vet.

regoob2 · 12-30-2008, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

Not surprisingly Jerry Angelo brought the lumber today, saying that Kyle Orton still has more to prove (so probably no extension), they will look to bring in competition, that other highly paid veterans did not perform this year, and that he wasn't satisfied with Bob Babich.

And it sounds like Rod Marinelli will be on the staff in some capacity, perhaps as defensive coordinator.

I love that he said that. He actually said we're all saying.

bearsfan_51 · 12-30-2008, 03:08 PM

I'm a bigger Jerry Angelo fan than anyone else on the team/organization, although this is news to nobody that has been here that long.

I think Garcia would just as soon retire before taking a backup spot. Toonster's suggestion of Alex Smith actually isn't that bad. His best season came under Norv Turner, brother of Ron.

Smokey Joe · 12-30-2008, 03:12 PM

I'm not sure Alex Smith is a guy we'd be looking for. It sounded more to me that we are looking for a solid vet who can help the learning process for probably Hanie.

Race for the Heisman · 12-30-2008, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

I'm a bigger Jerry Angelo fan than anyone else on the team/organization, although this is news to nobody that has been here that long.

I think Garcia would just as soon retire before taking a backup spot. Toonster's suggestion of Alex Smith actually isn't that bad. His best season came under Norv Turner, brother of Ron.

I hope you didn't seriously compare Ron Turner to Norv Turner...

regoob2 · 12-30-2008, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

I'm a bigger Jerry Angelo fan than anyone else on the team/organization, although this is news to nobody that has been here that long.

I think Garcia would just as soon retire before taking a backup spot. Toonster's suggestion of Alex Smith actually isn't that bad. His best season came under Norv Turner, brother of Ron.

Alex has the physical tools. He would be a good backup and would be worth developing.

regoob2 · 12-30-2008, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Smokey Joe

I'm not sure Alex Smith is a guy we'd be looking for. It sounded more to me that we are looking for a solid vet who can help the learning process for probably Hanie.

Orton can do that, so can the coaching staff.

Race for the Heisman · 12-30-2008, 03:39 PM

This is probably gonna get shot down, but what about Kyle Boller? He's probably get the veteran back-up role pretty well fletched out by now and I've heard he worked really well with Troy Smith and I would guess he's been helping Flacco, too. I think he's out of Baltimore after this season, and if he still thinks he can compete Chicago is a tempting choice.

bearsfan_51 · 12-30-2008, 03:48 PM

I've always considered the player/mentor role to be complete ********. You have a coaching staff for a reason. If you want to hire a vet to mentor your players, just hire him as quarterback coach. If we use a roster spot on a player I want someone that can actually play.

bearsfan_51 · 12-30-2008, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Race for the Heisman

I hope you didn't seriously compare Ron Turner to Norv Turner...

Well they are related and run quazi similar offenses. Norv Turner likes to go downfield more often, but there are similarities.

Smokey Joe · 12-30-2008, 04:09 PM

Two free agent WR's we should consider: Bryant Johnson and Mark Clayton. Neither are all that special, but have potential and could be solid 4th receiver. Neither will cost a lot, and the upside is much greater then the downside with these 2.

regoob2 · 12-30-2008, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Smokey Joe

Two free agent WR's we should consider: Bryant Johnson and Mark Clayton. Neither are all that special, but have potential and could be solid 4th receiver. Neither will cost a lot, and the upside is much greater then the downside with these 2.

Bryant Johnson would be a good fit imo. Did we look at him last off season?

Race for the Heisman · 12-30-2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

Well they are related and run quazi similar offenses. Norv Turner likes to go downfield more often, but there are similarities.

Maybe, but I think the gulf in ability between the two is much greater than any similarities.

Geo · 12-30-2008, 05:27 PM

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...kush123008.htm

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Bears dismiss DB coach Wilks

By PFW staff
Dec. 30, 2008

The Bears announced Tuesday afternoon that they have relieved DB coach Steven Wilks of his duties. Wilks joined the Bears prior to the 2006 season. In his three seasons on the job, the Bears' defensive backs combined for 42 interceptions and 19 forced fumbles. But the team's secondary was a major disappointment this season, as the Bears ranked 30th in passing yards allowed.

Team insiders would not be surprised if a few more Bears assistant coaches are given their walking papers in the coming days.

BeerBaron · 12-30-2008, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Geo

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...kush123008.htm

huh.....thats kind of sad because I really don't blame the secondary for all of our pass D problems.

You can have the best pro bowl secondary there is but without pass rush, they're going to struggle.

Smokey Joe · 12-30-2008, 07:18 PM

Wilks was decent, but our safety play was terrible this year, and there was a lot of confusion at times between the DB's during games as well.

I'd also like to see Bob Babich, Brick Haley (DL coach), and Darryl Drake (WR coach) get their walking papers, as well as anyone else JA sees fit.

pellepelle_10 · 12-31-2008, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

Not surprisingly Jerry Angelo brought the lumber today, saying that Kyle Orton still has more to prove (so probably no extension), they will look to bring in competition, that other highly paid veterans did not perform this year, and that he wasn't satisfied with Bob Babich.

And it sounds like Rod Marinelli will be on the staff in some capacity, perhaps as defensive coordinator.

Is there something I don't know? lol

Smokey Joe · 01-02-2009, 10:50 AM

I guess many team sources are stating that Vasher will likely be cut (makes sense, probably came in overweight and then he played like ****). Also, there's a lot of stuff flying around about Tillman getting moved to FS if we can sign a FA or draft someone. This one only makes sense to me if we make a change in the scheme.

Gay Ork Wang · 01-02-2009, 10:55 AM

i dont like it one bit :/

bearfan · 01-02-2009, 10:57 AM

Tillman would be one high paid saftey...

Smokey Joe · 01-02-2009, 10:57 AM

I really don't mind cutting Vasher. Right now, all signs point to his gain in weight him being lazy, and he played like **** during the season. Also, a move like that would make a statement to the team.

bearfan · 01-02-2009, 11:01 AM

True, and we would still be good at CB: Tillman, Corey G., McBride, Bowman as 4th and D.Manning at nickle.

I dont like Tillman being moved to saftey.