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Old 01-13-2012, 01:53 PM    (permalink
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He's had a top 10 defense about every year since he's been here.
Not really. In points allowed, it's finished:

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Lovie's defense has finished in the bottom half of the league just as often as the top 10. Combine that with his obvious mistakes regarding timeout/challenge usage and his huge boner for the bend, bend some more, and then finally break at the end of the game defense, he's clearly not top ten.

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This team has a lot of talent, enough to get back to being a superbowl contender like they were before the injuries.
They were not a super bowl contender before the injuries. They were pretty good looking, but clearly a tier down from the top teams. They could have won it with luck, but that's true for any team. They were the 3rd-best team in the division both before and after the injuries.

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Why should a GM have to have "his guy"??? Does every GM in the league have his "own guy"?
The good ones do. The good ones don't voluntarily walk into a situation in which they're handcuffed in every way.

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Lovie isn't the person drafting.
Yeah, sometimes he is. Sometimes he's the guy picking free agents and trade targets, too. See Dan Bazuin, Adam Archuleta, etc.

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Lovie is the guy who has led this team to how many wins? How many playoff wins? How many division titles? How many wins against our arch-rival Packers? Get real bandwagon fans, Lovie Smith is not, and never was the problem!
This is like saying Sexy Rexy "led" the team to the super bowl.

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Whoever the new GM is has enough control to be able to pick "his own guy" for OC.
Looks like you're behind the times. The OC has already been chosen. The new GM gets to pick nothing.

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We don't need a head coach or DC, our defense is and has been one of the best in the league, even with piss poor drafting by Angelo. I'm sick and tired of these bandwagon Bears fans lambasting Lovie Smith, even though he has one of the best records in football since he came here!
Sure. One of the best. And one of the worst. And one of the most average. It's been inconsistent as can be.

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All I hope is that our new GM is competent to draft. Angelo has been riding the Peanut Tillman/Briggs coattails regarding drafts. He drafts about one solid player per year and a half. This is terrible and clearly wasn't getting it done by looking at our secondary, O-line for the most part, and backups. I'm not saying all our backups are going to light the league by fire, but still, you've gotta have a better track record in the draft. The draft is how teams win championships.
I'm not going to argue that. Jerry Angelo was clearly a subpar talent evaluator and drafter...but Lovie's input has been just as bad.

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The system is not the problem, it was our drafting. Sorry about my rant, but I hate when people say GMs have to have "their guy". Do they not have a wife or partner or something? No S/O so they have to choose another significant other coaching their football teams? Comon, this Bears team is a damn good one, and has been. Let's get a competent GM who can use what we already have.
This is really seeing things through navy and orange glasses here. The "system" has been pretty average. Can we not all name at least half a dozen games in which the system was the problem, especially regarding that prevent garbage at the end of games that were already well in hand?

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The best cooks in the world don't need "their ingrediants". They know how to work with what they have!
The best cooks in the world cook what they know. They're all specialists, just like the guys we think of as good GMs and coaches. You don't see Rick Bayless serving up French, Italian, or Chinese food, right? Did you really think that top candidates like Eric Decosta or Reggie McKenzie were going to be willing to come here and continue with the Tampa 2 and every coaching job already filled? Hell, McKenzie was supposed to be a friend of Lovie and he didn't even want to interview here. He went right to a team that gave him total control, immediately fired a head coach that only had the job for one year, said he's changing the defense to a 3-4, and is rumored to be getting rid of the QB they just traded their future for.

Let's say you're a top-notch, in demand interior carpenter. You like working with Snap-on hand tools, Milwaukee power tools, and hardwoods. You're offered a job that lets you have all of that and you're offered a job that forces you to work with whatever tools you can get at Wal-mart and a big pile of knotty pine. They both pay the same and they're both going on at the same time, so you can only take one. Are you taking the Wal-mart tools and garbage wood because you know you can do it or are you taking the one where no one is restricting you and you get to operate in your comfort zone?

We're getting Tim Ruskell by default. If you thought JA's draft history was bad, wait'll you get a load of that joker. He makes JA look like a guy who earned a 10 year extension.

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This is why I never wanted to get rid of Jerry. He's the only guy in the front office who knows anything about football. The rest are either inbreds who did nothing but be born to a rich lady, or kissasses who have realized they can get ahead in life by attaching themselves to said inbreds.

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Not really. In points allowed, it's finished:

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1st
3rd
16th
16th
21st
4th
14th

Lovie's defense has finished in the bottom half of the league just as often as the top 10. Combine that with his obvious mistakes regarding timeout/challenge usage and his huge boner for the bend, bend some more, and then finally break at the end of the game defense, he's clearly not top ten.

They were not a super bowl contender before the injuries. They were pretty good looking, but clearly a tier down from the top teams. They could have won it with luck, but that's true for any team. They were the 3rd-best team in the division both before and after the injuries.

The good ones do. The good ones don't voluntarily walk into a situation in which they're handcuffed in every way.

Yeah, sometimes he is. Sometimes he's the guy picking free agents and trade targets, too. See Dan Bazuin, Adam Archuleta, etc.

This is like saying Sexy Rexy "led" the team to the super bowl.

Looks like you're behind the times. The OC has already been chosen. The new GM gets to pick nothing.

Sure. One of the best. And one of the worst. And one of the most average. It's been inconsistent as can be.

I'm not going to argue that. Jerry Angelo was clearly a subpar talent evaluator and drafter...but Lovie's input has been just as bad.

This is really seeing things through navy and orange glasses here. The "system" has been pretty average. Can we not all name at least half a dozen games in which the system was the problem, especially regarding that prevent garbage at the end of games that were already well in hand?


The best cooks in the world cook what they know. They're all specialists, just like the guys we think of as good GMs and coaches. You don't see Rick Bayless serving up French, Italian, or Chinese food, right? Did you really think that top candidates like Eric Decosta or Reggie McKenzie were going to be willing to come here and continue with the Tampa 2 and every coaching job already filled? Hell, McKenzie was supposed to be a friend of Lovie and he didn't even want to interview here. He went right to a team that gave him total control, immediately fired a head coach that only had the job for one year, said he's changing the defense to a 3-4, and is rumored to be getting rid of the QB they just traded their future for.

Let's say you're a top-notch, in demand interior carpenter. You like working with Snap-on hand tools, Milwaukee power tools, and hardwoods. You're offered a job that lets you have all of that and you're offered a job that forces you to work with whatever tools you can get at Wal-mart and a big pile of knotty pine. They both pay the same and they're both going on at the same time, so you can only take one. Are you taking the Wal-mart tools and garbage wood because you know you can do it or are you taking the one where no one is restricting you and you get to operate in your comfort zone?

We're getting Tim Ruskell by default. If you thought JA's draft history was bad, wait'll you get a load of that joker. He makes JA look like a guy who earned a 10 year extension.


1.) I disagree with the numbers... Our offense has been so bad over the years, the defense has been on the field more than it should, resulting in the lower rankings. I think this is pretty self-explanatory. Do you really believe we had the 14th ranked D this year? Because it sure as hell looked like a top 10 defense to me and I would be willing to bet offenses around the league would agree. It didn't help we had NO offense for the last 6 games or whatever without Cutler and Forte. The Bears held opposing offenses to 24 or less points 11 times. Keep in mind they played the Packers twice and Saints another time. I'd say that's pretty good in this league. They kept opponents to 20 points or less 8 times. They also kept opposing offenses under 14 points 6 times. That's a damn good defense considering some of the offenses we have played this year (packers, saints, lions).

2.) I also disagree that we were not SB contenders. The Bears were looking as good as any team outside the packers at the time of the injury. It's not how you start, its how you finish and the Bears were finally putting their offense together at the right time before Cutler and Forte got hurt. Look at the Giants this year? I would say they are SB contenders, but if you said that 6 weeks ago, people would laugh.

3.) Lovie may have had an opinion, but let's be real here; there are very few coaches in the NFL who make the decisions. If there were, there would be less of a need for GMs. Angelo was calling the shots, in both FA and the draft. I agree lovie had more of an opinion with FA, but it was Angelo's decision.

4.) Lovie Smith and the Defense/Special teams led the Bears to the SB imo. Obviously the players should get more credit, but why don't the most talented teams win the SB every year?

5.) The new GM does have control over who is OC. Just because they stay in-house doesn't mean the GM/Ruskell isn't calling the shots... Tice has done a decent job, do you see any better OC's on the market because I don't... Unless you're a fan of the amazing Bucs or Dolphins offense this year?

6.) Keep on hating, but like I said, in recent history (90s and beyond) before Lovie Smith; how many playoff wins did the Bears have? How about how many wins against the Packers did the Bears have? Maybe that's a bad comparison given we had Wandstead, but Lovie is a good coach and the players realize it. There's a reason you never hear grumblings from the players out of Chicago. I'm pretty sure they have a better idea of how good their coach is than a fan sitting on the coach, who only watches film on gameday.. Don't ya think? Or are you a successfully retired NFL GM?

7.) I agree most all head coaches should have only a little input through the draft... Very little.

8.) I have full confidence that if I gave Bobby Flay, or Emeral Lagosse (sp?), or another world-class chef a list of ingrediants, they would be able to blow my taste-buds away. That's like saying Tom Thibideau of the Bulls has no clue about offense because he has historically been a defensive coach. Some of those cooks may be better, and may like thier specialty cuisine.. but it's stupid to think they have no idea what they would do with some random ingrediants. If your mom's a great cook and her specialty is meatloaf, does that mean she cannot cook great pasta?

9.) The Bears still have good players. Some may be aging, but I'll take a group of Urlacher, Briggs, Tillman, Peppers, Forte, Cutler, Garza, and possibly Carimi over a lot of NFL team's "ingrediants".

10.) You may be right about Ruskell, but he did put a Superbowl team on the field with the Seahawks a lil while back... and damn near won it if it wasn't for the worst officiating in the history of the SB.

11.) On good GMs or coahes having "their guy".. The Patriots offense has looked pretty damn good with 3 different OCs..... Their current one Mcdaniels has been like 6-37 or something like that(after his hot start in Denver) and has had some of the worst offenses in the league after the Patriots.

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Okay if Dwayne Bowe makes it to Free Agency the Bears should jump on that. Agree?
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Okay if Dwayne Bowe makes it to Free Agency the Bears should jump on that. Agree?
Bowe, Vincent Jackson, or Marques Colston I feel like should be high priorities. From what Tice has been saying in interviews, a #1 receiver is a top need on offense. They might wait until the draft to see if one of the top 3 WRs drops to 19 but the FA pool is also pretty good this year. I think Vjax would be the best due to his ability to stretch the field but he is one strike away from a one year suspension.

In the GM search the short list is Jimmy Raye(Chargers), Marc Ross(Giants), Phil Emery(Chiefs), Jason Licht(Patriots) and Ruskell. Raye has already interviewed and I think he is the favorite right now. Chargers's drafts from 2000-2007 when he was in charge of college personnel were fantastic but who knows how much credit he deserves.
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I would love to get Bowe, Colston, and Jackson; in that order.

If we could get Bowe, a good corner, then get a WR in rd. 1, i'd be happy.

Or get a great Corner in FA, then try to get Michael Floyd in the draft.
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At #19, I think the only top tier WRs we'd be able to get are Wright or Jeffery, and there are more quality CBs in this draft than there were last year.
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If Floyd isn't there at 19, I think D-Line might be the way to go. Fletcher Cox, Whitney Mercilus or Melvin Ingram would work. Going corner in the second round should be a good idea. I also like Brian Quick for receiver. The other teams have shown that a great passing attack can get you to the postseason, but 2 of the 3 bad defenses in the divisionals got knocked off.
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Bob Bostad hired as Offensive line coach
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Bostad was the man at Wisconsin. Great hire.
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Emery is the early favorite for GM.
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We should sign Mario Williams. Put him with Peppers, it would be a thing of beauty.


I just looked over the possible free agents. Sorry, that idea just makes me smile.
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I think everyone and their brother is going to be going after Mario.

Carl Nicks of the Saints would be my favorite signing. He and a healthy Carimi on the right side of that line...mmmm...just try and stop our runs behind it.
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I like the idea of Nicks, but I get the feeling they're going to spend big money on a receiver, and probably get their hands on Vincent Jackson. I don't have much of a problem with that. I would also like a backup tackle who can actually play when called upon.
I would also like to see what Kellen Davis can do if they let him loose. Good luck finding anyone to match up with him.
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As much as I hated on Lovie he had that team rolling before the injuries. To say that we weren't contenders is foolish. The top two seeds lost to the Giants.

We also saw how important special teams were and that's a big strength of ours.

We weren't dominant in any one phase, but we were dangerous in all 3.

It's not necessarily the most talented team that wins in the playoffs. It's the team playing the best football. It sucks not being able to know how far we could've gone this year, but oh well.
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Looks like the GM search is between Emery and Licht. Who do you guys prefer?
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Old 01-27-2012, 11:28 AM    (permalink
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I think both men can be the kind of hardass this organization needs.
Emery has coaching and scouting experience, but Licht knows how to handle personnel better and also can scout. Licht might rub people the wrong way, but I would go with him.
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Emery is a typical conservative hire, which means that's what the Bears will do. They want someone they can control and who will go along with Lovie.
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So there ya have it. It's Emery.

Moving past the wompy-ness of it all, I think we can fully expect a WR in round one now.
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This hire sucks.
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None too thrilled. I wanted Licht
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I said moving past it, damn it!
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Dan Pompei endorses Emery. That goes a long way with me.
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Emery's presser was awfully boring and very little was actually said. As long as he brings in good players and doesn't take **** from Lovie, he should be fine.
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