NBA Discussion Thread - Page 1097

SeanTaylorRIP · 05-26-2009, 10:54 PM

With that said Cavs would have won if LeBron didn't have some pretty awful turnovers. Also several times in the open court on 2 on 1's he would give up the ball to a small guy like Mo or Gibson instead of just trucking to the hole.

Forenci · 05-26-2009, 10:54 PM

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Seriously, his supporting cast stepped up their game in the regular season but in the playoffs they have done absolutely nothing. It's a wonder that Lebron has won a game in this series.

Honestly, I didn't think they improved that much over the off-season last year. I mean, Mo Williams was never a great player for the Bucks. LeBron raised his play dramatically in the regular season, but clearly it's much different in the playoffs.

When your starting 'shooting guard' is Delonte West, your starting power forward is Anderson Varejao and you second supposedly 'great number two option' is Mo Williams the team just isn't that great.

DJC · 05-26-2009, 10:55 PM

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Luckily, we have LeBron James and I never feel a game or series is over.

Two games at the Q, one away.

Lets go.

for now...

YAYareaRB · 05-26-2009, 10:56 PM

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Dwight is an awfully shady character. I've lost a lot of respect for him. Magic played great though. Their ball movement is amazing. Unlike the Cavs, who have reverted back to last year's form. If there was every any doubt the city of Cleveland is cursed...

Why have you lost respect for him?

M.O.T.H. · 05-26-2009, 10:56 PM

I still cant believe the game Rafer just had. 6-12 from three? for realzzzz?

Manic Depressant · 05-26-2009, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanTaylorRIP

With that said Cavs would have won if LeBron didn't have some pretty awful turnovers. Also several times in the open court on 2 on 1's he would give up the ball to a small guy like Mo or Gibson instead of just trucking to the hole.

Heh, love the LeBron nitpicking.

iowatreat54 · 05-26-2009, 10:56 PM

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Like I said above (mostly jokingly there though) I think NY. Biggest market there is, and they have two offseasons to clear some salary....they get him, they get him an all-star caliber "buddy" and David Stern prays like hell the Lakers stay good so he can have his biggest markets collide as much as possible.

You're prediction is flawed since the Bulls will be in the finals every year by then. :)

Chicago-NY 90s rivalry (or more accurately, Chicago rapings) revived!!

SeanTaylorRIP · 05-26-2009, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Forenci

Honestly, I didn't think they improved that much over the off-season last year. I mean, Mo Williams was never a great player for the Bucks. LeBron raised his play dramatically in the regular season, but clearly it's much different in the playoffs.

When your starting 'shooting guard' is Delonte West, your starting power forward is Anderson Varejao and you second supposedly 'great number two option' is Mo Williams the team just isn't that great.

Woah no way in hell has Mo elevated his game. Anyone who watches Bucks games knows he is the same Mo Williams, he is just getting more attention for playing with LeBron. His averages are identical to every year he had with the Bucks.

yo123 · 05-26-2009, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanTaylorRIP

With that said Cavs would have won if LeBron didn't have some pretty awful turnovers. Also several times in the open court on 2 on 1's he would give up the ball to a small guy like Mo or Gibson instead of just trucking to the hole.

Good point, but he has the ball in his hands so much he's bound to come away with some turnovers, although some of them were very avoidable. Either way blaming the rest of the teams deficiencies on him is crazy.

aNYtitan · 05-26-2009, 10:58 PM

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With that said Cavs would have won if LeBron didn't have some pretty awful turnovers. Also several times in the open court on 2 on 1's he would give up the ball to a small guy like Mo or Gibson instead of just trucking to the hole.

LOL so 44/12/7 doesn't override those turnovers he had, or passing to someone to at least get them into the game and hopefully have an alternate source of offesne? Why not talk about those free throws he missed, why didn't he make them damnit? He is LeBron James

the decider13 · 05-26-2009, 10:59 PM

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I still cant believe the game Rafer just had. 6-12 from three? for realzzzz?

Rafer was shooting lights out, it was crazy. Everyone decided to just stop covering him. Didn't work too well.

D-Unit · 05-26-2009, 10:59 PM

Can't say enough for Dwight's improvement at the Free Throw line.

yo123 · 05-26-2009, 11:00 PM

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Woah no way in hell has Mo elevated his game. Anyone who watches Bucks games knows he is the same Mo Williams, he is just getting more attention for playing with LeBron. His averages are identical to every year he had with the Bucks.

Exactly. This happens all the time, players are underrated when they're with bad teams then get much more credit when they are traded to good teams, when in reality they are doing the same thing they have been doing all along. See Pau Gasol.

Brodeur · 05-26-2009, 11:00 PM

Duncan has made the finals with less support than LeBron has now, except the whole gigantic difference between Mike Brown and Pop.

Forenci · 05-26-2009, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanTaylorRIP

Woah no way in hell has Mo elevated his game. Anyone who watches Bucks games knows he is the same Mo Williams, he is just getting more attention for playing with LeBron. His averages are identical to every year he had with the Bucks.

Uh, his point totals were identical but his three point shooting was insanely better this year. Which is a direct result of getting open looks when you play with a guy by the name of LeBron James.

Chucky · 05-26-2009, 11:01 PM

How many techs does Dwight have in the playoffs? seems like he is getting close to 7.

M.O.T.H. · 05-26-2009, 11:01 PM

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How many techs does Dwight have in the playoffs? seems like he is getting close to 7.

He has 6. ugh.

yo123 · 05-26-2009, 11:02 PM

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How many techs does Dwight have in the playoffs? seems like he is getting close to 7.

He has 6, but if the NBA has any sense at all the one he got from tonight will be rescinded. The technicals this year are an absolute joke.

Brodeur · 05-26-2009, 11:02 PM

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Exactly. This happens all the time, players are underrated when they're with bad teams then get much more credit when they are traded to good teams, when in reality they are doing the same thing they have been doing all along. See Pau Gasol.

Mo was never really underrated, he's always been a gigantic chucker and he worked best as a 6th man behind TJ Ford.

iowatreat54 · 05-26-2009, 11:03 PM

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Duncan has made the finals with less support than LeBron has now, except the whole gigantic difference between Mike Brown and Pop.

Yea, but Duncan is a 7 footer. He also has had Tony Parker, who is better than anyone on the Cavs not named Lebron James.

IMO, you can't really compare a big man playing by himself to a guard/small forward playing by himself.

ShutDwn · 05-26-2009, 11:03 PM

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Honestly, I didn't think they improved that much over the off-season last year. I mean, Mo Williams was never a great player for the Bucks. LeBron raised his play dramatically in the regular season, but clearly it's much different in the playoffs.

When your starting 'shooting guard' is Delonte West, your starting power forward is Anderson Varejao and you second supposedly 'great number two option' is Mo Williams the team just isn't that great.

I think a great indicator of the talent of a team is who is coming off your bench. Cleveland easily has the worst bench of the remaining teams.

Meanwhile, the remaining teams all have guys who are either solid or can be sparkplugs when they come in.

Cleveland needs to stop kidding themselves that Igalskus is a starting big man and that Varajao isn't anything more than fouls and rebounds off the bench.

Chucky · 05-26-2009, 11:05 PM

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He has 6. ugh.

HE is bound to get suspended soon...hopefully it isnt in the finals

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) · 05-26-2009, 11:05 PM

****. Oddly, the best game of the series by Cleveland so far. Orlando was just TOO UNCONCIOUS. It's been insane. Cavs could easily be up 3-1 or easily have lost 4-0 by now. I've never seen such a close series in my life. Whatever happens, it's been great. Cleveland has one life left, but don't count them out. A win in game 5 and a hot start in game 6 puts all the pressure on Orlando. We have to hope they crumble, because I fully believe that if we win game 6, we win the series. And we've proved we can hang with Orlando on the road.

Great series, Magic fans, looking forward to the next 3 games :D. Or, if you guys pull it off and win in 5, this has definitely been the tightest 5 game series ever. Gah, the biggest irony of this game was that if LBJ choked that FT, we win the game. AV was RIGHT there. Oh well, no sense in dwelling on the past. On to game 5, LET'S GO CAVS.

aNYtitan · 05-26-2009, 11:06 PM

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Duncan has made the finals with less support than LeBron has now, except the whole gigantic difference between Mike Brown and Pop.

Really? When? First championship year he still was playing along side David Robertson. Next time after that he had Manu and Tony Parker (of course they weren't established) but they had a solid supporting cast: Steve Kerr, Bruce Bowen, Stephen Jackson, Danny Ferry

thetedginnshow · 05-26-2009, 11:06 PM

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Why have you lost respect for him?

He's very childish. Whines about every call. He's cheap, and to me, the Guards kind of make sense when they're doing underhanded things, but when you're as big as he is, I don't see the need. Doesn't really ever give his teammates credit. It's always he did this or that, the most they did was set him up. I don't know. Just not a big fan anymore.