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Old 06-10-2009, 06:49 AM    (permalink
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“I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed.”
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People tend to confuse resiliency for never failing in Jordan's case.

Great game by the Magic, loved that dunk by Lee. I'm glad this isn't a bad series like last year.
Not really.

Everyone accepts that he wasn't perfect. But he never failed on the big stage. He always hit his free throws or made the shot when it counted.

With Kobe last night, he didn't play the first 5 mins of the 4th quarter. He missed too many free throws late that would have tied it. He forced ridiculous shots when he should have passed. You never saw Michael doing that in the finals.

And yes, I know early in his career he failed earlier in playoffs. I'm saying when he had the opportunity to win a championship, he didn't choke.
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And yes, I know early in his career he failed earlier in playoffs. I'm saying when he had the opportunity to win a championship, he didn't choke.
Uh the series is not exactly over, I'd say Kobe still has a bit of a chance to win a championship this year.
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Not really.

Everyone accepts that he wasn't perfect. But he never failed on the big stage. He always hit his free throws or made the shot when it counted.

With Kobe last night, he didn't play the first 5 mins of the 4th quarter. He missed too many free throws late that would have tied it. He forced ridiculous shots when he should have passed. You never saw Michael doing that in the finals.

And yes, I know early in his career he failed earlier in playoffs. I'm saying when he had the opportunity to win a championship, he didn't choke.
Well Kobe still has that opportunity. Michael wasn't perfect in the Finals either, I remember him having an off game against the Suns. Kobe was really good in the first two games and started off strong in Game 3 before struggling down the stretch. I fully expect him to respond for Game 4.

Game 3 though last night was incredible from start to finish, very well played. I do think that if the Magic keep doubling Kobe that Phil needs to move him off the ball and get someone else involved in the pick and roll because even though he's making the right reads off the double, I think he can be more effective if he's coming off the ball on curls, screens, cuts, etc.
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Uh the series is not exactly over, I'd say Kobe still has a bit of a chance to win a championship this year.
I didn't say he blew the series. I'm saying he choked when he had a chance to at least tie the game for his team.

I'm not saying Michael never had a bad game, either. I'm saying that late in a close game, he wouldn't be on the bench for like half the 4th quarter, miss crucial free throws, or force everything while not even looking to involve his teammates. I know guys like Kobe, MJ, Lebron, etc. are supposed to be the ones with the ball in their hands at the end, but that doesn't mean you force it and don't even look to move the ball when you are doubled with no view of the basket.
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Well Michael knew how to close better than any player in the history of the game. If he didn't succeed he'd die trying. MJ usually made good decisions when the game was on the line.

Kobe while the best closer in the NBA right now still has his moments where you scratch your head on what he's trying to do. Although the double teams I think threw him out of his rhythm.

He did play two very good games though before that and against Denver he pretty much carried his team so one "off game" where he really wasn't that bad isn't something I'd be concerned about. He'll be ready to go for Game 4.
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Come on Courtney.

1-4 from the arc now. Damn. But if they're giving it to him. Shoot the hell out of it.
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He had a real similar start in a game against the sixers earlier in the year. Actually turned out to be a good game for him.

edit...2 fouls. BLAH.
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Lee hasn't started out so hot, but if they keep leaving him open in at the corner like that he's going to make them regret it eventually.
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The bad news is that one more foul on Pietrus and Redick checks in.
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Both Gasol and Bynum with two fouls.

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Well that wasn't too bright Ariza.
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After he did that, I wondered if it would be a T.

And it was. Not a smart move by Trevor.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think every single starting Laker forward is now in foul trouble.
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If it wasnt for turnovers we should have a large lead. Lakers arent too hot at the moment and we've killed them on the glass.
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Damn, Dwight with double digit rebounds in the 1st quarter, he could finish this quarter with around 13.
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