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Old 06-11-2007, 05:02 PM    (permalink
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Please don't compare Tyson's rebounding ability to Joakim's.
i absolutely will. tyson is a "fantastic rebounder" now because no one else from his team goes up for rebounds. that's the thing that is GREATLY overlooked about his stats. tyson is a poor man's noah. Nevertheless, I would agree that tyson is a better rebounder. however, tyson has been in the pros for what? 5 years?
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Joakim Noah = Dan Gadzuric w/ better ball handling
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i hope you don't mean in rebounding.
overall game. not just rebounding. i'm talking aobut overall game. however, when you talk about just rebounding, please see my above comment.
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that's funny. i like that quote.
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now here's the problem, in the other forum about EG and Rose, you quoted nbadraft.net, but now it's soft? What's the deal? Do you like this site or not? I maintain that it's decent, but nothing better than a loser living rent free in their parents basement could do. That's all. Either we use this site, or we do not do so.
I did quote NBADRAFT.net because they were right about them, but not about Joakim. I don't use them much anymore for sourcing after reading some of their lastest analysis on the players in this draft.

But their analysis on Rose is spot on IMO, as is their analysis on Eric Gordon. I disagree a little bit with EJ's but it is fairly accurate. Like I said, I don't use them much anymore after reading their reports on this draft class. I was doing research last weekend and reading about some big men and I thought it was garbage analysis.
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overall game. not just rebounding. i'm talking aobut overall game. however, when you talk about just rebounding, please see my above comment.
So you're going to bash Tyson because he had no one else to rebound on his team? That's a very poor argument IMO. So that means he has no help rebounding, therefore his stats are even more impressive. While we're at it, I can't give Big Ben any credit for this season because PJ was a horrible rebounder.

Tyson and Joakim are not on the same level as rebounders I'm sorry to say. Joakim is a decent prospect but as far as value goes he should not be taken in the top 10, let alone the lottery. Hell I wouldn't touch him until after 15, probably later.
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So you're going to bash Tyson because he had no one else to rebound on his team? That's a very poor argument IMO. So that means he has no help rebounding, therefore his stats are even more impressive. While we're at it, I can't give Big Ben any credit for this season because PJ was a horrible rebounder.

Tyson and Joakim are not on the same level as rebounders I'm sorry to say. Joakim is a decent prospect but as far as value goes he should not be taken in the top 10, let alone the lottery. Hell I wouldn't touch him until after 15, probably later.
i'm certain you watch the bulls games, and if you do indeed, then you'll notice that deng is actually a good rebounder, not great but good. thus he "eats" rebounds that a chandler would get. you have to compare who rebounds on the team. look at minny, on the defensive end they ALWAYS give garnett the def. rebound. each team has their nuance, and that HAS to be taken into consideration. Hell Chandler was #1 in rebounds per 48 when he was with the Bulls because of who he played with on those teams.
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All i gotta say is if Noah falls to 34, I wouldn't even want the Mavs to get him. Less to do with his game, more to do with him irritating the hell out of me.
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First of all that quote from nbadraft.net was from late 2006 when Noah's stock was higher than it is now and people thought more of him. Second of all you failed to quote the weaknesses part for some reason, where it clearly states that he has no back to the basket game and between that and his poor shooting ability one can infer that he pretty much gets all of his points off of putbacks, layups, and dunks. The Bulls need a consistent post scorer, not Noah. If we're going to take him at 9 we may as well trade the pick for Randolph straight up. And as sweetness said before, I actually think Crittenton would be a decent pick at 9. He's certainly a better pick than Noah, but he'd add some nice size to the backcourt, make Duhon expendable, and allow us to match up players differently with Hinrich, Thabo, Crittenton, and BG in the backcourt. If Hawes isn't on the board, Crittenton would definitely be a nice option at 9.

As a side note, looks like the C's are looking seriously into Marion and I wouldn't be surprised at all. If it does happen you could look for the Bulls or Warriors to try and leapfrog ahead of the Suns at 3 or 4 and try and grab Yi. If the Celtics keep the pick, I'd expect a trade down with Thornton as Ghetto mentioned as the target, although I'm sure if they were available Brewer, Julian Wright, and Jeff Green would garner serious consideration.
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8) Sean Singletary
9) Bobby Brown
10) Jared Jordan

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3) Rodney Stuckey(tweener)
4) Morris Almond
5) Marcus Williams
6) Rudy Fernandez
7) Daequan Cook
8) Arron Afflalo
9) DJ Strawberry
10) Marco Belinelli

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1) Kevin Durant
2) Jeff Green
3) Al Thornton
4) Corey Brewer
5) Julian Wright
6) Thaddeus Young
7) Alando Tucker
8) Dominic McGuire
9) Reyshawn Terry
10) Jared Dudley

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3) Brandan Wright
4) Jason Smith
5) Tiago Splitter
6) Jarmereo Davidson
7) Herbert Hill
8) Ryvon Covile
9) Coleman Collins
10) Joakim Noah/Josh McRoberts, take either I could care less

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2) Spencer Hawes
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Was just watching Around the Horn and they said that Shawm Marion has talked to the Celts and their have been trade talks involving Marion and Boston's #5 overall pick. Anyone else hear of this?
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Was just watching Around the Horn and they said that Shawm Marion has talked to the Celts and their have been trade talks involving Marion and Boston's #5 overall pick. Anyone else hear of this?
Yes #5, Theo Ratliff, and say a Delonte West for Shawn Marion, the Suns hoping they can get Yi at 5 if not, they would want Horford. Worst case is that they have to settle for Brandan Wright, but if Yi is gone I could really see them taking Noah no joke the way they are thinking. If I were them at 5 it is no reach to take Al Thornton who could play the PF spot for them.
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Ehh Ratliff didn't play last year and we are pretty deep at guard so losing Delonte wouldn't kill, but I still like West. He is a pretty solid player who was just kind of inconsistent last season. I am a huge Shawn Marion fan, and that makes me want the Celts to pull the trigger. We need a rebounder and an athletic defender who can also score. We do need a big man but I think Marion would be a better get than any big man available at #5.
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The Suns' interest in such a deal is unknown.

Marion's name also has surfaced in trade rumors with the Detroit Pistons , who would send forward-center Rasheed Wallace to Phoenix.

This idea would be conflicting for Phoenix.

Wallace's skills are a good fit, but his on-court behavior contrasts with the club's emphasis on character.
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Adding Shawn Marion, while getting Paul Pierce back from injury, would be tremendous for the Celtics.
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Pierce/Marion/Jefferson wouldn't be that bad at all. Especially in the East. Although, it could put a hitch in Gerald Green's growth.
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Is it just me or is this small forward class the deepest class out of all of the positions this year?

As a side note, you're right Flyboy I think it would seriously hinder the development of Green, which makes me think that if they make a move for Marion they must have other plans that would involve moving Green as well. If they want to win now you never know. Guys like Green and Tony Allen would have a hard time finding minutes when they are solid players with decent potential. I'd assume if they deal for Marion at least Green if not both of those players could be involved in some deal for a big man as they do seem happy with Rondo at the point.
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Forward always seems to be stacked because that's where all the great athletes play.
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Is it just me or is this small forward class the deepest class out of all of the positions this year?

As a side note, you're right Flyboy I think it would seriously hinder the development of Green, which makes me think that if they make a move for Marion they must have other plans that would involve moving Green as well. If they want to win now you never know. Guys like Green and Tony Allen would have a hard time finding minutes when they are solid players with decent potential. I'd assume if they deal for Marion at least Green if not both of those players could be involved in some deal for a big man as they do seem happy with Rondo at the point.
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Forward always seems to be stacked because that's where all the great athletes play.
Well it's usually the 2, 3, or 4 spot in the draft that's stacked, and this year it's the 3 but it's really not even close. Power forward is arguably the nicest at the top but small forward is nice this year because you could be sitting at the bottom of the lottery and if you're looking for a good small forward you're probably going to end up with a nice player.

Just for the record, the C's also reportedly have interest in Rashard Lewis who would consent a trade to Boston but only if Gerald Green isn't involved because the two are friends. That could be a big hitch but if Seattle is interested in the pick the C's have the pieces to work it out. However to me it seems more likely is that the C's go after another Seattle player, center Robert Swift, who I remember Danny Ainge was crazy for the year Swift got drafted (though he ended up taking Al Jefferson with the pick that was going to be Swift, damn good consolation prize).
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that celtics trade is ********, we are trying to cut salary why would we take on theo ratliff's contract, that is the entire point of trading marion
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Smallish lineup but still:
C:Al Jefferson
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SF:Paul Pierce
SG:Gerald Green
PG:Rondo/Telfair/West who cares
Very athletic. Could definitely run the court with that team.
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Smallish lineup but still:
C:Al Jefferson
PF:Shawn Marion
SF:Paul Pierce
SG:Gerald Green
PG:Rondo/Telfair/West who cares
Very true, it could work in the East. If Jefferson can handle the 4 or 5 spot the C's have a ton of options this year. A combo of Jefferson and Yi or Horford would look great, as would Thornton or Jeff Green playing next to Big Al. Gomes and Allen would have a hard time finding minutes, not that that matters, so they could look to be dealt while they still have some value before they get buried on the bench if it happens.

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Lewis reportedly is good friends with Gerald Green and would consent to the deal if Green is not a part of the package. Robert Swift also could be in the mix. Ainge has coveted Swift in the past
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...ard_to_boston/

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