NBA Discussion Thread - Page 1276

DexterM · 11-01-2009, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JT Jag

So I did a bit of an unprofessional but I like to think unbiased breakdown of the roster value for the Magic/Celtics/Lakers.

Each starting position gets 1-5 points, 1 being a guy who is a sixth man at best and really shouldn't be starting at all and 5 being the cornerstone of your franchise.

Rondo: 4 / Nelson: 3.5 / Fisher: 2
Bryant: 5 / Carter: 4 / Allen: 3
Pierce: 4.5 / Lewis: 3.5 / Artest: 3
Garnett: 4.5 / Gasol: 4 / Anderson: 1
Howard: 5 / Bynum: 3 / Perkins: 2

That adds up to 17 points for the Magic, 18 for the Celtics and 17 for the Lakers.

The key, however, is the bench. The Magic have three key backups (Gortat/Bass/Pietrus) who could be sixth men on any team in the NBA and start for a few as well. Those are all worth 3 points. The Magic have one more good backup, Barnes, who is worth two points, and a pair of solid backups in Redick and Williams, giving the Magic a total of 13 bench points (30 total).

Boston has one key backup (Wallace), three good backups (Williams, House and Daniels) and not much behind them (not counting Davis until his suspension deal is cleared up), giving them 9 bench points (27 total) which isn't bad.

The Lakers lag behind both. They have one key backup (Odom), one solid backup (Walton) and a smattering of guys who are just decent (Vujacic, Brown, Farmar), giving them 8 points (26 total). That's not that far back considering the point system, but there's just two quality guys there, compared to four for both the Magic and Celtics.

In the end it's not about quantity, it's about quality. And the Magic lead the big three in quality depth.

If it's about quality and not quantity, the Lakers and Celtics both have a better 6th man than the Magic. Odom and Rasheed are by far the best two bench players on the three teams.

Also, a point system is completely arbitrary. You give someone like Perkins a two and Howard a 5, even though Perkins is one of the few players in the league who can manage to somewhat keep Howard in check when guarding him one on one. Nor does a point system track how good the team actually gels, which is the most important part.

M.O.T.H. · 11-01-2009, 03:00 PM

Holy crap JJ Redick had his best game ever and I missed it. haha. I forgot all about today's game.

Redick 27 points, 6 boards, 5 dimes. Whaaaaaaa?

Jameer had 30 points, Howard 24 and 11, Anderson 20. Bosh, Turk, and Bargs were beastly. Looks like it was a good one.

125-116 Magic

edit...also Redick, Nelson, and Anderson all had atleast 8 three pointers attempted. They were 17-32 as a team. damn. Carter and Pietrus didnt play.

LTgiants · 11-01-2009, 03:05 PM

He is trying play good to help his rap album lol.

M.O.T.H. · 11-01-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by LTgiants

He is trying play good to help his rap album lol.

That must be it. ha.

Seriously though, this is the first time JJ actually seems happy. I'm happy to see him doing well...he is still inconsistent as hell, though.

LTgiants · 11-01-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by M.O.T.H.

That must be it. ha.

Seriously though, this is the first time JJ actually seems happy. I'm happy to see him doing well...he is still inconsistent as hell, though.

I doubt he keeps it up

now for the completely not serious. Of all the people in the nba who would bet that it would be jj reddick recording a rap album

I am sorry I cant get over the hilariousness of that

M.O.T.H. · 11-01-2009, 03:16 PM

JJ Redick and Ryan Anderson. bleh.

WMD · 11-01-2009, 05:47 PM

MetSox17 · 11-01-2009, 06:21 PM

Hahahahaha! Way to play it off Phil :p

JT Jag · 11-01-2009, 07:19 PM

So, surprise: Ryan Anderson is a starting-calibur player already. He's scored at least 16 points in each of his first three games, and is shooting better than .500 from beyond the arc.

He and Danilo Gallinari are essentially the same player right now, the difference being that Gallinari has gotten more minutes so far, gets more touches and is a bit more trigger happy with the three. It'll be interesting to see which one can keep it up the longest.

His development will pay big, big dividends down the stretch. It allows Orlando to sustain the stretch-the-court style that worked so well last year, and allows us to bring in three super-high energy guys--- Pietrus, Barnes and Bass--- off the bench.

LTgiants · 11-01-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JT Jag

So, surprise: Ryan Anderson is a starting-calibur player already. He's scored at least 16 points in each of his first three games, and is shooting better than .500 from beyond the arc.

He and Danilo Gallinari are essentially the same player right now, the difference being that Gallinari has gotten more minutes so far, gets more touches and is a bit more trigger happy with the three. It'll be interesting to see which one can keep it up the longest.

His development will pay big, big dividends down the stretch. It allows Orlando to sustain the stretch-the-court style that worked so well last year, and allows us to bring in three super-high energy guys--- Pietrus, Barnes and Bass--- off the bench.

don't know how many Knick games you saw but Danillo has been completely unselfish and quite frankly defers to teammates to much he isn't trigger happy at all.

JT Jag · 11-01-2009, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by LTgiants

don't know how many Knick games you saw but Danillo has been completely unselfish and quite frankly defers to teammates to much he isn't trigger happy at all.

Not trigger-happy in a bad way. He just takes a higher proportion of three-point shots than Anderson.

Here's my crazy Magic deadline trade scenario for the week:

Chris Paul, James Posey's contract and a toss-in for Marcin Gortat, Jameer Nelson and JJ Redick (plus one or two first round picks).

Redick's stock has gone up early this year. The Hornets are trying to shed cap space, and Paul is bound to leave when his contract is up.

They'd be acquiring a potential upgrade at SG (they've got no one there), a good PG in exchange for Paul (albeit a downgrade, given) and a long-term fixture at center. To sweeten the deal, the Magic could agree to waive Posey and eat his contract, which would allow him to promptly rejoin the Hornets. Not to mention the first round pick(s).

The Magic get... well, Chris Paul. And maybe a developmental guy like Hilton Armstrong or Marcus Thornton.

Heck, we could even burn our trade exception to eat Peja's contract in a separate deal, which would make it almost impossible to pass up.

fenikz · 11-01-2009, 08:03 PM

you sir are crazy

Paul · 11-01-2009, 08:05 PM

Yeah that's a bunch of wishful thinking right there.

SeanTaylorRIP · 11-01-2009, 08:07 PM

Hawks and Lakers tonight!!! I don't think the Hawks are getting enough respect. It seems like everyone thinks every other team is moving up and the Hawks are a fringe playoff team. The fact is that last year they made the 2nd round of the playoffs with no bench. This year they add Jamal Crawford who is a go to scorer when JJ is off which is something they didn't have last year. Jeff Teague was also added and can get to the rim whenever he wants. Also people laugh at Joe Smith but he's a very solid big man. Pair that with the natural progression of the young players and I think this is a 45-50 win team.

senormysterioso · 11-01-2009, 08:08 PM

A trade like that would probably cost New Orleans another NBA franchise. Trading Chris Paul under any circumstance is a bad move for them.

draftguru151 · 11-01-2009, 08:11 PM

Heat are 3-0 WOOOO. Udonis Haslem with a big game, Beasley with a double double.

Brodeur · 11-01-2009, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JT Jag

Here's my crazy Magic deadline trade scenario for the week:

Chris Paul, James Posey's contract and a toss-in for Marcin Gortat, Jameer Nelson and JJ Redick (plus one or two first round picks).

Redick's stock has gone up early this year. The Hornets are trying to shed cap space, and Paul is bound to leave when his contract is up.

They'd be acquiring a potential upgrade at SG (they've got no one there), a good PG in exchange for Paul (albeit a downgrade, given) and a long-term fixture at center. To sweeten the deal, the Magic could agree to waive Posey and eat his contract, which would allow him to promptly rejoin the Hornets. Not to mention the first round pick(s).

The Magic get... well, Chris Paul. And maybe a developmental guy like Hilton Armstrong or Marcus Thornton.

Heck, we could even burn our trade exception to eat Peja's contract in a separate deal, which would make it almost impossible to pass up.

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Forenci · 11-01-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JT Jag

Not trigger-happy in a bad way. He just takes a higher proportion of three-point shots than Anderson.

Here's my crazy Magic deadline trade scenario for the week:

Chris Paul, James Posey's contract and a toss-in for Marcin Gortat, Jameer Nelson and JJ Redick (plus one or two first round picks).

Redick's stock has gone up early this year. The Hornets are trying to shed cap space, and Paul is bound to leave when his contract is up.

They'd be acquiring a potential upgrade at SG (they've got no one there), a good PG in exchange for Paul (albeit a downgrade, given) and a long-term fixture at center. To sweeten the deal, the Magic could agree to waive Posey and eat his contract, which would allow him to promptly rejoin the Hornets. Not to mention the first round pick(s).

The Magic get... well, Chris Paul. And maybe a developmental guy like Hilton Armstrong or Marcus Thornton.

Heck, we could even burn our trade exception to eat Peja's contract in a separate deal, which would make it almost impossible to pass up.

LOL. That's as likely as the Magic trading Dwight Howard. I think you've been playing too much fantasy basketball, JT.

Not only that but Hornets fans would DESTROY the Hornets front office for doing something like that. Whether Paul leaves or not I don't see him getting traded.

Also half the additional players you listed are trash/mediocre, no matter how you try to sell it.

JT Jag · 11-01-2009, 08:34 PM

See, that's why I specifically stated that it's a crazy trade scenario.

The salaries match up and it is (very theoretically) advantageous in some way for both sides. That's all ya need.

sweetness34 · 11-01-2009, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanTaylorRIP

Hawks and Lakers tonight!!! I don't think the Hawks are getting enough respect. It seems like everyone thinks every other team is moving up and the Hawks are a fringe playoff team. The fact is that last year they made the 2nd round of the playoffs with no bench. This year they add Jamal Crawford who is a go to scorer when JJ is off which is something they didn't have last year. Jeff Teague was also added and can get to the rim whenever he wants. Also people laugh at Joe Smith but he's a very solid big man. Pair that with the natural progression of the young players and I think this is a 45-50 win team.

Define "getting enough respect." In my opinion, they are not one of the elites. I would take Boston, Cleveland, Orlando, Denver, Portland, Los Angeles, and San Antonio over them.

I do like the Hawks though. They are a fun team to watch and they have some really nice talent, but I just don't see them being able to match up against any of those teams in a 7 game series. Especially since they most likely will not have home court advantage.

By the way, who said the Hawks were a fringe playoff team? That's just ********. Teams like Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia, and Washington to me are "fringe" playoff teams. Each of those teams have major question marks, but they do have talent.

Paul · 11-01-2009, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JT Jag

See, that's why I specifically stated that it's a crazy trade scenario.

The salaries match up and it is (very theoretically) advantageous in some way for both sides. That's all ya need.

Sure, but somehow your team is gets the sweetest end of the deal. Who'da thunk it.

Forenci · 11-01-2009, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JT Jag

See, that's why I specifically stated that it's a crazy trade scenario.

The salaries match up and it is (very theoretically) advantageous in some way for both sides. That's all ya need.

It's not advantageous at all for the Hornets. They trade away a top 5 player in NBA for Jameer Nelson and junk.

That's not a 'crazy' trade scenario, it's one that will never happen. Hornets go from being a playoff type team to a bottom ten team.

Paul · 11-01-2009, 08:42 PM

J-Ho + Damps contract matches up well with Kobe's. Maybe that will happen.

sweetness34 · 11-01-2009, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JT Jag

See, that's why I specifically stated that it's a crazy trade scenario.

The salaries match up and it is (very theoretically) advantageous in some way for both sides. That's all ya need.

Crack is whack. The only way that deal would be fair is if Howard is included.

senormysterioso · 11-01-2009, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul

J-Ho + Damps contract matches up well with Kobe's. Maybe that will happen.

Truth, I bet you could find a random 2 or 3 guys on every team that equal a max contract.