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Old 03-04-2010, 08:40 PM    (permalink
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So at what point are you going to realize that all the players on the 04 team, got twice as good on the 08 team? Wade, Carmelo, Lebron in particuliar who are all top 5 players in the NBA were not nearly as complete back then as they were in 2008. Also, your talking about a group of young guys like that combined with AI and Marbury running the point compared with those same guys in their prime, with Deron Williams and Jason Kidd at PG. I mean, Lebron and Melo had what, 1 year of NBA experience? I also don't remember Dwight Howard playing on that 2004 roster, he was just drafted that season so.....


But I guess it's all just Kobe though.
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In the Olympics, Kobe had one stretch where he was really good. He was lucky it was in the gold medal game. Outside of that, he was pretty pedestrian. He pulled the ultimate Sidney Crosby and all the Kobe stans are lapping it up forgetting that LeBron and Wade carried that team for the whole tournament.
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Funny how you leave out Pau.

It is pretty clear that Kobe(as well as any other superstar) can only win a title with a very good supporting cast around him. I mean Kobe hasn't won a title without another top 15 player on his team. Coincidence? Obviously not.

So therefore, it is stupid to blame LeBron for not having won a title when he doesnt have the type of supporting cast needed
Pau was never considered top 15 until he got to the lakers. In fact he was one that couldnt get out of the first round of the playoffs, add into the fact that he was swept each season he did make it into the playoffs:

Also, after they lost to Boston, everyone including laker fans as myself regarded himself as soft and not being able to bang with the big boys.

It was only til after they won, people started speaking top 5 pf/c talk.

Now, Lebron could really use a top 5 pf too, chris bosh etc etc. maybe antwan jamison will help. But there were also things kobe did in the playoffs that i can guarantee that no other player would have been able to do.

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Yes, shame on Pau for not being able to get out of the first round....on the god damn Grizzlies.

Seriously? You used that as support? The ******* Grizzlies??

The fact he got to the playoffs with the Grizzlies is more impressive.
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So you're only a great player if you can carry a garbage team to a finals win? Who has EVER done that? Jordan had Pippen, a defensive stopper in Rodman, a 3 point shooter in Kukoc. I hate when people fault a player for being on a good team.
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Yes, shame on Pau for not being able to get out of the first round....on the god damn Grizzlies.

Seriously? You used that as support? The ******* Grizzlies??

The fact he got to the playoffs with the Grizzlies is more impressive.
well how bout at least winning 1 game, that's not that unreasonable.
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well how bout at least winning 1 game, that's not that unreasonable.
Maybe, but to knock Pau for not being able to take the Grizzlies out of the first round is an absolutely ridiculous comment. Those teams were awful.

Especially in an argument where the point is Kobe needed Pau to win it all, to negate that by saying Pau couldn't win a playoff series is just downright hilarious and a horrible point of support.

I don't have any of Pau's playoff statistics, but I feel confident in guaranteeing that it wasn't his play that caused them not to win.
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Maybe, but to knock Pau for not being able to take the Grizzlies out of the first round is an absolutely ridiculous comment. Those teams were awful.

Especially in an argument where the point is Kobe needed Pau to win it all, to negate that by saying Pau couldn't win a playoff series is just downright hilarious and a horrible point of support.

I don't have any of Pau's playoff statistics, but I feel confident in guaranteeing that it wasn't his play that caused them not to win.
that wasn't the point I was trying to make, I was more talking about the lines of Pau not being as highly regarded. It's no secret the lakers/phil/maybe kobe brought out the most in Pau.

Everyone is saying kobe has a top 15 player on his team, but he wasn't considered a top 15 player before the championship even when his numbers were still there.
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it's not even special anymore when kobe comes through in the clutch. it's expected.
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great game 2 of nba's brightest stars in an OT game, big win for the heat
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these last 2 pages have been really great reads, keep it up guys

what a ****** lost to the Heat, they beat us in OT, it's cool, I was pleased by Kobe performance in the last 5 min of regulation, big games this weekend on the road for the lakeshow, at Bobcats tomorrow & at Magic on Sunday, should be fun watchs like tonight's was
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that wasn't the point I was trying to make, I was more talking about the lines of Pau not being as highly regarded. It's no secret the lakers/phil/maybe kobe brought out the most in Pau.

Everyone is saying kobe has a top 15 player on his team, but he wasn't considered a top 15 player before the championship even when his numbers were still there.


Gasol isn't any better right now than he was in Memphis. People just didn't notice him then because it was ******* Memphis. If someone like David West got traded to the Lakers he would become more highly regarded too, without having to improve his game at all.
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scary situation with Rodney Stuckey right now
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I'd argue Pau was better in Memphis. Maybe because it's Memphis, but still.
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yep they were saying that on ESPN
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What the **** happened to Stuckey? I had the TV on the Red Wings game.

And now ESPN has cut to Sportscenter?
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yep they were saying that on ESPN
Was it shown on tv or did they cut to commercial? I just turned the game on.
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He had a seizure apparently. I hope hes ok.
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One of the two players on our team to have some type of future and he has a seizure? Now they arent even showing the game at all...
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Was it shown on tv or did they cut to commercial? I just turned the game on.
he walked over to the sideline appeared fine but when he sat down he appeared to go into a seizure
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Thank god, they said Rodney Stuckey is conscious now.
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just reported he's concious and breathing on his own
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I hope they dont find he has some type of heart/vascular condition or something physiological like that. That is much worse than tearing an ACL, often doctors won't clear those guys to ever play again (Detroit'ers remember Jiri Fischer, this sort of reminded me of that)

Hopefully he just has the flu or something that caused his body to shut down like that.

Of course that drained all life & energy from the Pistons and its likely well lose by 15+ now.
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