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Dwight Howard is the most overrated player in the league.
Pau has got more of an all around game than D. Howard. He is tons better at the free throw line and he can also hit the outside jump shots as well. I love Howard but if it were my team I would rather have Gasol.
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It's smart. Rondo missed 10 layups the other game and turned the ball over 7 times last night. Robinson played only 9 minutes and got like 5 assists and only 1 turnover. He has played well this post season in the little minutes he has got.


All major personnel decisions should be made based on 2 or 3 games...

You haven't had one post in this thread that wasn't filled with hyperbole and failure.
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THIS! that guy probably never even watched the game
Bynum sucks. He consistently lost rebound after rebound to Rajon Rondo of all people. He got 1 rebound the whole game. He will probably hurt his knee when they announce the starting lineup for the next game anyways. Gasol is a PF/C anyways so it doesnt really matter which position I name off. The Lakers would be better off with Gasol at center and Odom at PF. At least Odom can get rebounds.
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Bynum is playing hurt. And Odom isn't getting rebounds.
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You haven't had one post in this thread that wasn't filled with hyperbole and failure.
He is missing layups not 3 pointers. He hasnt played with confidence at all while his backup gets fired up for any minutes he has been able to get and has played well. Those 10 missed layups equaled to 20 missed points and if he wouldnt have made say half of them then this season would be over and the Celtics would be the champs already.
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I think the thing we all are missing is... The center's primary job is to play defense (provide a big body down low) and grab rebounds.

I think the Power Forwards' job is to provide the post offense.

These are basically the way I see each position, but in turn that's why I think Pau would be one of the best PFs in the NBA but also extremely lacking as a center.
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Bynum is playing hurt. And Odom isn't getting rebounds.
Then get his ass off of the court if he is hurt. Bynum is a liability as much as Artest has been. Odom got like 8 rebounds, 2 steals, and 2 assists in 7 or so less minutes than Bynum did.
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He is missing layups not 3 pointers. He hasnt played with confidence at all while his backup gets fired up for any minutes he has been able to get and has played well. Those 10 missed layups equaled to 20 missed points and if he wouldnt have missed say half of them then this season would be over and the Celtics would be the champs already.


He's shooting over 50% for the series. If you're going to try to argue that a midget combo guard is better than a PG who has led a seemingly washed up team to the finals you're going to have to try harder than that. At this point I hope this is your attempt at being the Skip Bayless of this thread and saying things for shock value.
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Then get his ass off of the court if he is hurt. Bynum is a liability as much as Artest has been. Odom got like 8 rebounds, 2 steals, and 2 assists in 7 or so less minutes than Bynum did.


I didn't say he should be playing. I'm saying him being hurt =/= him sucking.
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I think the thing we all are missing is... The center's primary job is to play defense (provide a big body down low) and grab rebounds.

I think the Power Forwards' job is to provide the post offense.

These are basically the way I see each position, but in turn that's why I think Pau would be one of the best PFs in the NBA but also extremely lacking as a center.
I agree but Bynum has done nothing. Gasol has got a post move as well as an outside game. Not to mention he averaged like 12 rebounds a game throughout the season.
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He's shooting over 50% for the series. If you're going to try to argue that a midget combo guard is better than a PG who has led a seemingly washed up team to the finals you're going to have to try harder than that. At this point I hope this is your attempt at being the Skip Bayless of this thread and saying things for shock value.
Actually he isnt. Last game got him close to 50% but he also had almost 10 turnovers. Almost 10 turnovers one game with 10 missed layups in another and it just keeps getting better and better. Not to mention Kobe is guarding him at the free throw line because he doesnt feel like doing anything. With Robinson on the floor Kobe isnt about to have any of that which is why they put Farmar on him.
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I didn't say he should be playing. I'm saying him being hurt =/= him sucking.
Bynum is always hurt.
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It's smart. Rondo missed 10 layups the other game and turned the ball over 7 times last night. Robinson played only 9 minutes and got like 5 assists and only 1 turnover. He has played well this post season in the little minutes he has got.
There's a reason Robinson doesn't play much. It's because he's 5 foot nothing and a mismatch waiting to happen.
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Gasol has good post moves and a good outside game, problem is that he is getting overpowered on both ends by KG and Perkins. He needs more touches if the Lakers are going to win this series. With the way the center position has somewhat devolved, the Lakers can get away with having Gasol at center most of the time, but this isn't one of those times.
The Lakers also need to do much better than 29% from 3 point range.
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There's a reason Robinson doesn't play much. It's because he's 5 foot nothing and a mismatch waiting to happen.
I agree but Robinson also has a little bit of a 3 point game while Rondo has zero. It gives the defense more work instead of allowing Kobe to sit back at the free throw line and wait for Rondo to do something. Plus he is too quick for Kobe to guard which gives miss matches for the Lakers. Kobe doesnt want to follow Ray Allen all around the court which means they need to put Farmar on Robinson and leave Fisher on Allen. Nate Robinson has played with a lot more intensity this post season and him and Big Baby helped seal the victory the other day. Not to mention he is a much better free throw shooter as well and that never hurts. I would think it would be worth a shot to give Robinson more playing time.
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Actually he isnt. Last game got him close to 50% but he also had almost 10 turnovers. Almost 10 turnovers one game with 10 missed layups in another and it just keeps getting better and better. Not to mention Kobe is guarding him at the free throw line because he doesnt feel like doing anything. With Robinson on the floor Kobe isnt about to have any of that which is why they put Farmar on him.

You're right. But he's very close though which is good for a PG. As usual though every single other point you attempted to make here is completely 100% wrong. Playmaking PG's are going to have games where they turn the ball over 7 times. Deron Williams does it, Steve Nash does it, and Chris Paul does it. It's called an off game. The 10 missed layups is a ridiculous exaggeration on your part, just because he doesn't shoot many jump shots doesn't mean every shot he missed was a layup. Kobe isn't doing that because "he doesn't feel like doing anything" he does it because Rondo doesn't have a jump shot and the extra step gives him more reaction time to keep Rondo out of the lane. Every moron who has watched an NBA game can see that.

No one is going to argue that Rondo is having a great series but to say that Robinson would be doing better as the starting PG is completely ridiculous. He can't guard anyone at his size and cares more about scoring his 6 points a game and beating his chest than doing the PG's job and getting people involved.

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You're right. But he's very close though which is good for a PG. As usual though every single other point you attempted to make here is completely 100% wrong. Playmaking PG's are going to have games where they turn the ball over 7 times. Deron Williams does it, Steve Nash does it, and Chris Paul does it. It's called an off game. The 10 missed layups is a ridiculous exaggeration on your part, just because he doesn't shoot many jump shots doesn't mean every shot he missed was a layup. Kobe isn't doing that because "he doesn't feel like doing anything" he does it because Rondo doesn't have a jump shot and the extra step gives him more reaction time to keep Rondo out of the lane. Every moron who has watched an NBA game can see that.

No one is going to argue that Rondo is having a great series but to say that Robinson would be doing better as the starting PG is completely ridiculous. He can't guard anyone at his size and cares more about scoring his 6 points a game and beating his chest than doing the PG's job and getting people involved.
I definitely agree that sometimes players have bad games which has been the case for Ray Allen as well lately. I dont think 10 miss layups is an exaggeration. That is something kids do in middle school and not the pros. Nate Robinson has played better than Rondo has which is why I was saying I would put him in. He gets his team into it and has been more of a leader this series than Rondo has. The Celtics bench has been dominating this series. The reason you mentioned is why I dont like Rondo that much. He has no outside game at all and he allows defenders to lay back and wait. That is the reason they put Kobe on him though. He isnt about to chase Ray Allen around the floor constantly. He wants to be able to wait and not do much until his team has the ball.
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Enough with the Pau talk... its fair to just say he is a top 10 big man in the league. C/PF whatever. Will be shocked if Kobe goes out on tuesday as the loser, but at the same time Boston can play on the road. My prediction will be LA by 13-15, and somebody said Bynums knee will get better? Doubtful, it falls in Odoms hand to me and whose bench can step up. Seriously!? outside of Odom who can come in and make an impact like Nate or Davis or even Sheed defensively for the Lakers. I figure the starting lineup should produce a little more at home. (Artest and even Fish though he clearly plays better on the road and Pau will have a better game I would imagine)

And Grant Hill was catching 1 handed oops in ******* nba 2k10. The man is immortal.
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Definitely 10 missed lay ups.
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I'm surprised he actually came back and tried to back it up. Obviously he fails at everything because of his lack of being right, but it's good entertainment value, right?

Robinson is good in the few minutes he gets because that's where he works. It didn't take long for the Lakers to figure him out last night, and he couldn't run the offense because he was too small to get the ball past Jordan Farmar... You want to start a guy who gets shut down by the 8th or 9th guy off the Lakers' bench? That's intelligent.
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Definitely 10 missed lay ups.
Man, that layup from the top of the arc was probably really tough. Not really his fault. But the one from the elbow, he definitely shoulda made.

Also, did I read right. Did he say that Nate was too quick for Kobe to guard? As in Kobe wouldn't be able to guard Nate, to the point where Nate would easily create a mismatch? If so, that might be the most hilarious (barely qualifying as one) idea I've ever heard.
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Dwight Howard is the most overrated player in the league.
Yea right. In the league?? Way to stretch the truth to stress your point even more. Dude may be seriously lacking post moves and an offensive game, but put him on the right team where you tell him to dominate the boards, block shots, and enforce the middle and he'll do it better then anyone. Besides, he is still young and growing as a player, but he is what he is. I'd still rather take everything he does at C, vs the offense Pau gives you but no defense.
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Howard's offense is shut down pretty easily, but his pressence in the paint on the other end and as a defender is top notch. If he had a real power forward paired with him, that team would be amazing... Maybe they can swap Vince for Zach Randolph...
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