NBA Discussion Thread - Page 1596

EvilNixon · 06-29-2010, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by soybean

I think if you could somehow pair up Kevin Durant and Dwight Howard, you would have the best "Lebron stopper" in the league.

Long arms takes away the midrange/perimeter game, big body takes away the drive.

KD isn't a very good defender, an LeBron is nearly Howard's size. He goes right into Dwight and he will get the call every time. Refs reward slashers who play under control.

Realistically, there is no way to stop LeBron James. The only thing that can slow him down is shot selection. Like most young guys, he falls in love with the jumper(while vastly improved, is his weak spot on offense).

EvilNixon · 06-29-2010, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MetSox17

PG: Derrick Rose
SG: JJ Redick
SF: Lebron James
PF: Chris Bosh
C: Joakim Noah

Greatest team evar.

Redick and the lack of girth in the post would cost them a title.

yourfavestoner · 06-29-2010, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by EvilNixon

KD isn't a very good defender, an LeBron is nearly Howard's size. He goes right into Dwight and he will get the call every time. Refs reward slashers who play under control.

Realistically, there is no way to stop LeBron James. The only thing that can slow him down is shot selection. Like most young guys, he falls in love with the jumper(while vastly improved, is his weak spot on offense).

Yup, that's why he struggles with smaller defenders who can stay in front of him. He stops trying to drive and settles for stupid jumpers. That's exactly what Ray Allen did (with a lot of help defense, of course) in the second round of the playoffs. I keep saying that he needs to develop a post game to back down smaller guards that are able to use their quickness to contain him and cut him off.

yourfavestoner · 06-29-2010, 10:20 AM

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Meh, I think the chances of him resigning in Cleveland are slim to none. Like I said earlier in the thread, I've got a really funny feeling Lebron is suffering from Julius Peppers/Jesus Shuttleworth syndrome. Wouldn't you get sick on an entire state hitching itself onto your shoulders? Especially an area as tortured and depressed and full of despair as Cleveland?

So this doesn't get stuck at the bottom of the last page.

MetSox17 · 06-29-2010, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by EvilNixon

Redick and the lack of girth in the post would cost them a title.

How would Redick cost them? He'd be the fourth option at best on offense, and it's not like Luol Deng can defend any better than Redick can, at least JJ can hit 3pters.

I'm not sure who would make them pay for their "lack of girth". I really don't think the Lakers can repeat, hell i don't think they'll make the finals again.

EvilNixon · 06-29-2010, 10:24 AM

Deng's a pretty decent defender, and so is Redick. Redick needs to be a 25 MPG guy. He's going to play 30+ in that scenario as the depth behind is going to be pretty thin.

EvilNixon · 06-29-2010, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by yourfavestoner

Yup, that's why he struggles with smaller defenders who can stay in front of him. He stops trying to drive and settles for stupid jumpers. That's exactly what Ray Allen did (with a lot of help defense, of course) in the second round of the playoffs. I keep saying that he needs to develop a post game to back down smaller guards that are able to use their quickness to contain him and cut him off.

LBJ can get by any player in the league...if he wants to. He's become more of a diva superstar as he's gotten better and better, where he feels he can do it any way he wants to.(Kobe is exactly the same way. Kobe hasn't lost much if any athleticism from his prime years(only a year or two ago). He just feels he can jack it up and still make it instead of getting a better shot.

MetSox17 · 06-29-2010, 10:30 AM

To be fair to Kobe, there was no way he could get the easy buckets he usually has. The Celtics had the best help defense in the NBA last season, and probably one of the better defensive performances in the playoffs that i can remember. All their bigs did a tremendous job helping out Ray and Tony Allen against Kobe, which is why they were allowed to play him so tightly. If Tony Allen played Kobe the way he did with any other team behind him, he'd get a bused for 40pts and he'd foul out.

yourfavestoner · 06-29-2010, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by EvilNixon

LBJ can get by any player in the league...if he wants to. He's become more of a diva superstar as he's gotten better and better, where he feels he can do it any way he wants to.(Kobe is exactly the same way. Kobe hasn't lost much if any athleticism from his prime years(only a year or two ago). He just feels he can jack it up and still make it instead of getting a better shot.

He's still got the athletecism in spurts, but his legs can't do it for four quarters consistently, let alone for four quarters every night through an 82 game season. There were times this season when I saw him barely able to get up high enough for a dunk. He has to expound way more energy to get to the basket than he used to. Whereas he used to get by on straight quickness and explosion, he has to set guys up now with good angles and really impressive ball-handling in traffic.

jballa838 · 06-29-2010, 10:52 AM

this needs to happen.

yourfavestoner · 06-29-2010, 10:58 AM

Kobe's finger may be damaged beyond repair

Mr. Goosemahn · 06-29-2010, 12:13 PM

Don't know if it's already posted, but I didn't find it.

Yi Jianlian traded to Wizards for Quinton Ross.

http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/201...way_to_dc.html

iowatreat54 · 06-29-2010, 12:20 PM

*patiently waits for scotty to find out and go apeshit...

Don't know about Quinton Ross, but I'd like to see how Wiz fans feel about Yi and how he fits with them.

Michigan · 06-29-2010, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MetSox17

PG: Derrick Rose
SG: JJ Redick
SF: Lebron James
PF: Chris Bosh
C: Joakim Noah

Greatest team evar.

That looks like a team specifically designed to suck against the Lakers. That frontcourt would get eaten alive.

iowatreat54 · 06-29-2010, 12:33 PM

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That looks like a team specifically designed to suck against the Lakers. That frontcourt would get eaten alive.

Eh, idk. Noah isn't bad by any means defensively, so he would at least be competent against Gasol. Plus, that Bulls lineup would pretty much get any and every rebound they wanted vs. the Lakers. Would Kobe guard Lebron? Or would Artest guard Lebron and Kobe switch to Rose? Who would guard Bosh?

I think it would be a pretty interesting matchup. But I don't see how the Lakers would get any rebounds haha.

soybean · 06-29-2010, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilNixon

KD isn't a very good defender, an LeBron is nearly Howard's size. He goes right into Dwight and he will get the call every time. Refs reward slashers who play under control.

Realistically, there is no way to stop LeBron James. The only thing that can slow him down is shot selection. Like most young guys, he falls in love with the jumper(while vastly improved, is his weak spot on offense).

Well he did shoot it poorly in last year's conference finals in most of the games. But like you said he got to the line a lot.

soybean · 06-29-2010, 12:38 PM

Here's my concern against Bosh. To me he seems like more of a face to the basket kind of player.

That's not a bad style by any means but a strong post up game I think would be more apt to make a title run.

Also: That's another reason why the Clippers aren't that bad a fit for Lebron. They have a superior post game. Straight power with Blake Griffin, as well as both shooters and slashers.

Brodeur · 06-29-2010, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by iowatreat54

*patiently waits for scotty to find out and go apeshit...

Don't know about Quinton Ross, but I'd like to see how Wiz fans feel about Yi and how he fits with them.

Ross is a good (used to be borderline elite) perimeter defender with no other skills.

LonghornsLegend · 06-29-2010, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by soybean

Also: That's another reason why the Clippers aren't that bad a fit for Lebron. They have a superior post game. Straight power with Blake Griffin, as well as both shooters and slashers.

Has Blake Griffin even played enough to know what he brings to the table? Or if he'll be the same caliber player after the injury?

sbh15 · 06-29-2010, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Goosemahn

Don't know if it's already posted, but I didn't find it.

Yi Jianlian traded to Wizards for Quinton Ross.

http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/201...way_to_dc.html

great nets trade. yi for ross and the wiz trade exception, instantly clears 3 mil in nets cap space

here's espn link: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5340026

SeanTaylorRIP · 06-29-2010, 02:19 PM

I don't mind the trade at all. Obviously we weren't going to spend any money this offseason so no harm in getting Yi's 1 year deal. Anyways with Blatche breaking his foot there might actually be playing time for Yi. I'm not gonna act like he's good or anything but we did have James Singleton starting for us last year at times and as much as Yi is bashed he does have some skills. John Wall will just open things up a lot. We'd still get abused defensively but it's not like we weren't going to anyways. We will have huge cap room next summer especially if Arenas is moved before then. Obviously this is just for the cap room for the Nets as Ross is just a throw in. He sucks. Don't know about this elite defender talk. He's pretty useless. Almost every scrub we had last year impressed at some point from James Singleton to Cartier Martin, yet Ross managed to suck every game.

scottyboy · 06-29-2010, 02:20 PM

NO MORE YI! NO MORE YI! NO MORE YI!

oh my, I'm ecstatic. just wonderful. wish we got Hamady back, BUT NO MORE YI!
and we didn't have to give anyone else up for a team to take him. oh happy day!

MetSox17 · 06-29-2010, 02:20 PM

STRIP, why do you keep having hope that Arenas will be moved? Who in the hell will be stupid enough to take on his horrific contract, especially when they're working on changing the CBA to make sure there isn't any more Arenas-esque contracts out there?

scottyboy · 06-29-2010, 02:22 PM

STRIP, Ross is useless? please, useless is having a starting power foward who doesn't play D, can't rebound, can't shoot, can't dribble or do anything right ever

SeanTaylorRIP · 06-29-2010, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MetSox17

STRIP, why do you keep having hope that Arenas will be moved? Who in the hell will be stupid enough to take on his horrific contract, especially when they're working on changing the CBA to make sure there isn't any more Arenas-esque contracts out there?

Because there are some equally bad contracts on a lot less talented player. Arenas will immediately become a decent trade asset should he return to form as he's expected to. Why wouldn't a team like the Bobcats take on Arenas in exchange for 2 equally bad contracts in Diaw and Diop.