NBA Discussion Thread - Page 163

Brodeur · 06-27-2007, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by diabsoule

Anybody reading the interactive mock draft between Bill Simmons (odd picks) and Chad Ford (even picks) on ESPN? It's pretty entertaining.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...ckdraft/070627

It's pretty embarrassing because Simmons doesn't really know what he's talking about, but it's hilarious.

SubNoize · 06-27-2007, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by soybean

i just think that bosh is more valuable to his team. He took a very bad team to a 3 seed in the east this year while last year when amare was out the suns still made it to a 2 seed in the west.

Yep more valuable to his team, and maybe better regular season but in the clutch when it counted lets compare...

06-07 playoffs
AMARE
Playoffs Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
First Round PHX 5 5 35.2 .549 .000 .721 2.6 11.0 13.6 1.0 1.4 1.8 2.20 4.00 24.2

BOSH
Playoffs Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
First Round TOR 6 6 37.0 .396 .200 .842 1.2 7.8 9.0 2.5 0.8 1.8 2.00 3.20 17.5

Chucky · 06-27-2007, 03:02 PM

Im not sure if this has been mentioned but because Bosh doesnt have close to as good as a supporting cast as Amare does, Bosh gets doubled and triple teamed consistently, while Amare does not. Also comparing TJ Fords playmaking ability to Steve Nashs is a little ridiculous they are not even close to in the same league, and i am a raptors fan

Flyboy · 06-27-2007, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Charm City Byrdgang

How come he is not a C? Because hes not 7'4 and immobile? Whose a better C than him? Yao Ming? I'd disagree.

Then that's you and your opinin. Ming was playing at an MVP-level before his injury. You cannot say the same about Amare.

soybean · 06-27-2007, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SubNoize

Yep more valuable to his team, and maybe better regular season but in the clutch when it counted lets compare...

06-07 playoffs
AMARE
Playoffs Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
First Round PHX 5 5 35.2 .549 .000 .721 2.6 11.0 13.6 1.0 1.4 1.8 2.20 4.00 24.2

BOSH
Playoffs Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
First Round TOR 6 6 37.0 .396 .200 .842 1.2 7.8 9.0 2.5 0.8 1.8 2.00 3.20 17.5

see it's a catch 22. You guys say bosh's stats are inflated because the team he plays on is terrible. But then i can say that bosh's numbers were worse in the playoffs because he was asked to do too much...

ccB · 06-27-2007, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

Then that's you and your opinin. Ming was playing at an MVP-level before his injury. You cannot say the same about Amare.

yeah before the injury, there seems to be a trend there. One thing I can say about Amare, 1st team all nba at what position? Oh yeah Center.

soybean · 06-27-2007, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Charm City Byrdgang

yeah before the injury, there seems to be a trend there. One thing I can say about Amare, 1st team all nba at what position? Oh yeah Center.

well he was the center for the suns, and he put up good numbers. they couldn't make him an nba 1st teamer as a PF even though that was his natural position.

WMD · 06-27-2007, 03:26 PM

Keep Amare Stoudemire out of the Eastern Conference please.

Flyboy · 06-27-2007, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by soybean

well he was the center for the suns, and he put up good numbers. they couldn't make him an nba 1st teamer as a PF even though that was his natural position.

Bingo. Like I said, Amare is a center for the Suns but in no way is he a true mold of a typical center.

ccB · 06-27-2007, 03:29 PM

I dont understand, why does he have to be a PF? Hes a C, he plays C, he could play C for any team in the league. Hes not undersized, Ben Wallace is undersized. I just dont get it. Is it because hes not 7ft+, because the majority of NBA C's arent a legitimate 7Ft+. What is a legitiamte C to you? A 7 ft stiff who cant run? Welcome to the new age of the NBA my friends. Amare Stoudemire has every quality youd want in an NBA C, hes a big body, great athleticism, pulls down boards, powerful inside. Everything.

P-L · 06-27-2007, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardvikingsfan

Why in the hell does minnesota not want Amare Stoudemire? I mean, what kind of idiot passes on stat for a couple of draft picks where you have no idea in what you are getting. I don't give a rats ass if he had microfracture surgery over a year ago, as he showed over the course of this past season that he was able to fully overcome it and still dominate. This would be an absolutely assanine decision by McFail to do and to tell you the truth wouldn't shock me at all. Here's to the final nail in McFail's coffin!

They said a couple days ago that Minnesota doesn't want to take on Amare's salary.

Flyboy · 06-27-2007, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Charm City Byrdgang

I dont understand, why does he have to be a PF? Hes a C, he plays C, he could play C for any team in the league. Hes not undersized, Ben Wallace is undersized. I just dont get it. Is it because hes not 7ft+, because the majority of NBA C's arent a legitimate 7Ft+. What is a legitiamte C to you? A 7 ft stiff who cant run? Welcome to the new age of the NBA my friends. Amare Stoudemire has every quality youd want in an NBA C, hes a big body, great athleticism, pulls down boards, powerful inside. Everything.

If that's the case then Tim Duncan would be a center yet.. he's not. In the NEW age of the NBA, yes, Amare could be considered a center, however, he's not a true center and you can't dispute that. The only "real" centers that are in the league right now is Shaq, Ming, Camby, and perhaps Oden. True centers. Not tweeners. And, you do realize that the Suns put Amare at the 4 and Kurt Thomas at the 5, right when they are both on the court?

DHVF · 06-27-2007, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Patriots-Lions

They said a couple days ago that Minnesota doesn't want to take on Amare's salary.

Yeah that's what I've read as well, but I just have a hard time conceiving how you pass on a talent like that for a couple of picks in the crapshoot aka nba draft.

soybean · 06-27-2007, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Charm City Byrdgang

I dont understand, why does he have to be a PF? Hes a C, he plays C, he could play C for any team in the league. Hes not undersized, Ben Wallace is undersized. I just dont get it. Is it because hes not 7ft+, because the majority of NBA C's arent a legitimate 7Ft+. What is a legitiamte C to you? A 7 ft stiff who cant run? Welcome to the new age of the NBA my friends. Amare Stoudemire has every quality youd want in an NBA C, hes a big body, great athleticism, pulls down boards, powerful inside. Everything.

what makes him a center over any other PF then? because he's dominant down low and dunks it a lot? He starts his offensive breaks from the top of the key and usually catches a pass trailing nash. Most centers offensive breaks start at the post or catch a pass while they are closer to the basket than the guards. Plus centers are usually intimidating and are they for shot blocking the drives. Amare usually just mans up with the best player/biggest guy on the floor. He would die in 3-2 zone.

Shiver · 06-27-2007, 03:45 PM

All I know is that the Hawks will quickly ascend in the Eastern Conference with a proven all-star, like Amare Stoudemire. Whereas they would have to wait for the #3 and #11 players develop, if they do at all. It doesn't take much to rise to the top of the East.

ccB · 06-27-2007, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

If that's the case then Tim Duncan would be a center yet.. he's not. In the NEW age of the NBA, yes, Amare could be considered a center, however, he's not a true center and you can't dispute that. The only "real" centers that are in the league right now is Shaq, Ming, Camby, and perhaps Oden. True centers. Not tweeners. And, you do realize that the Suns put Amare at the 4 and Kurt Thomas at the 5, right when they are both on the court?

If there are only 4 true centers in the league wouldnt that mean that the "True" C's are what hte majority of the leauge have? Also how is Camby a True C but Amare isnt, Amare is an inch shorter and 10 lbs heavier. Your whole basis on C's seems to be on stature which is dumb.

ccB · 06-27-2007, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by soybean

what makes him a center over any other PF then? because he's dominant down low and dunks it a lot? He starts his offensive breaks from the top of the key and usually catches a pass trailing nash. Most centers offensive breaks start at the post or catch a pass while they are closer to the basket than the guards. Plus centers are usually intimidating and are they for shot blocking the drives. Amare usually just mans up with the best player/biggest guy on the floor. He would die in 3-2 zone.

You guys make no sense, because Amare is more athletic than an average C that doesnt make him one. All I am saying, is if on any other team in the league besides Houston, Amare would be the starting C, any other team.

ccB · 06-27-2007, 03:52 PM

I GOT IT! If you have zero versatility and couldnt play no other position other than C, that makes you a true C.

scottyboy · 06-27-2007, 03:54 PM

the position a player plays is really based on the team's style and rest of players around them. STAT plays C, because there's no other big who could play there. sometimes in Nets games, Nachbar and Moore would be our "bigs", does that make Nachbar a PF? no, it depends on the situation, and STAT plays C, matches up against other C's.

also Chucky, Bosh constantly got doubled and tripled? were you watching the same series i was? on occasion he'd be doubled when Boone was in, but mainly it was just him v Moore or Collins.

soybean · 06-27-2007, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Charm City Byrdgang

I GOT IT! If you have zero versatility and couldnt play no other position other than C, that makes you a true C.

ill admit, a lot of it has to do with height. It may not be fair but it's true that's why KG and timmy aren't considered centers.

Flyboy · 06-27-2007, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiver

All I know is that the Hawks will quickly ascend in the Eastern Conference with a proven all-star, like Amare Stoudemire. Whereas they would have to wait for the #3 and #11 players develop, if they do at all. It doesn't take much to rise to the top of the East.

And they would still have a glaring hole at point guard.

Hines · 06-27-2007, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

And they would still have a glaring hole at point guard.

cant jj play the point or is he strictly a shooting guard.or does he play sf.

SeanTaylorRIP · 06-27-2007, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

And they would still have a glaring hole at point guard.

They can trade Childress for Ridnour.

Chucky · 06-27-2007, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by scottyboy

the position a player plays is really based on the team's style and rest of players around them. STAT plays C, because there's no other big who could play there. sometimes in Nets games, Nachbar and Moore would be our "bigs", does that make Nachbar a PF? no, it depends on the situation, and STAT plays C, matches up against other C's.

also Chucky, Bosh constantly got doubled and tripled? were you watching the same series i was? on occasion he'd be doubled when Boone was in, but mainly it was just him v Moore or Collins.

No your very wrong, COllins would start on Bosh, and then he would get swarmed by an additional one or two players

SeanTaylorRIP · 06-27-2007, 04:49 PM

According to Dallas newspaper the Mavs might trade Devin Harris for the 6th pick. I see this as terrible for both sides. On the Mavs side you are trading Harris for Joakim Noah, ewe, but I don't like the Mavs so I'd be happy. For the Bucks if you keep Mo Williams why in the world would you want another PG who is out of control and not great at running a team atleast not yet, there is far too much value IMO to make that trade.