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Old 07-19-2010, 12:47 PM    (permalink
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Rumors are that the Bobcats are trying and have the pieces to acquire Chris Paul. New Orleans hasn't been ready to play ball yet.

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Erik Dampier ($13 million in expiring contracts)
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D.J. Augustin

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I would do that trade in a heartbeat. New Orleans would have to send the trade exceptions that they have from Morris Peterson, Hilton Armstrong, Rasual Butler, and Antonio Daniels to make it work.
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I would do that trade in a heartbeat. New Orleans would have to send the trade exceptions that they have from Morris Peterson, Hilton Armstrong, Rasual Butler, and Antonio Daniels to make it work.
I like DJ but I would feel bad for you having to watch Erica Dampier
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I like DJ but I would feel bad for you having to watch Erica Dampier
He'd basically just been glued to the bench for the season, sort of like Eddy Curry. As for the trade, the only way New Orleans should get rid of Paul is by including Emeka's atrocious contract in the same deal.
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I like DJ but I would feel bad for you having to watch Erica Dampier
He would be a backup behind Okafor, probably playing sparingly if at all. If that trade happened the Hornets line up would be:

PG: Darren Collison/D.J. Augustin
SG: Marcus Thornton/ Gerald Henderson
SF: Gerald Wallace/ Peja Stojakavic / James Posey / Julian Wright
PF: David West / Darius Songalia
C: Emeka Okafor / Erik Dampier
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If I were New Orleans I would do that trade right now. But I guess the Hornet's owner has a sentimental desire to keep Paul in the fold.
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When did he start with the, "Well, back in my day..."

Because if he truly is going to thrive as a franchise owner with the Charlotte Bobcats, then perhaps there is a need to recognize he is not back in his day, and that the world has changed since there was a one-star-per-team limit.

The latest, and best-chronicled, is the comment Jordan offered during his latest whirl at celebrity golf over the weekend.

"There's no way, with hindsight, I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team,'" Jordan said. "But that's . . . things are different. I can't say that's a bad thing. It's an opportunity these kids have today. In all honesty, I was trying to beat those guys."

In other words, he wouldn't have gone LeBron, wouldn't have sought refuge in the land of Wade (and Bosh).

Bunk.

Understand, Jordan wanted to win, had to win.

So let's say Jerry Krause pulled his ultimate power play during Jordan's career, during one of those seasons when Michael was on the year-to-year plan. Say Krause won the power struggle with Phil Jackson, excised the coach, and got into a stare down with Jordan.

Can you honestly say Jordan then would have moved on to the Clippers or Warriors or Raptors, or stayed with a rebuilding Bulls team just so he could have competed against Shaq and Malone and Reggie?

Or, like LeBron, would he have said that he wanted to play deeper into the playoffs, play alongside someone who could keep him there.

For Jordan, there always was the luxury of playing alongside Scottie Pippen. He didn't have to find a running mate; he always had one.

And it's not as if LeBron still won't have his moments this coming season against the likes of Carmelo and Durant and Pierce. The challenges still will be there. Plenty of them. With many motivated opponents.

Put it another way, do you honestly believe Jordan would have hung up if Larry or Magic or Charles had actually called, if there was such an opportunity, during a period of much more restrictive free agency?

But this is good to know, and good for those in Charlotte to know.

Because if Michael does have the opportunity to land someone like a Chris Paul, bring the point guard back to North Carolina, at least Bobcats fans would know that Jordan then wouldn't try to add a Carmelo, as well.

In M.J.'s view, that clearly would be unseemly.
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He'd basically just been glued to the bench for the season, sort of like Eddy Curry. As for the trade, the only way New Orleans should get rid of Paul is by including Emeka's atrocious contract in the same deal.
The Hornets want out from Posey's and Okafor's contracts the only problem I see is a team that is willing to trade for either player. The only teams that could really use a C and would be willing to take on Okafor's contract is Atlanta and Toronto. OKC could take on Okafor's contract in exchange for Krstic and Nick Collison but I don't think Presti would make that move. Only teams that really need a PF/C would be desperate enough to trade for Okafor which hopefully there is someone out there that is.
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That article is a little misleading.

Jordan didn't always have Pippen, and in fact they were together for a couple years before breaking through. Even then, the Bulls prior to 91 never made it to the finals, or even the conference finals, and were usually 1 and done.

So, if Jordan had in fact decided to look around say 5-7 years since entering the league (88-90), he would be leaving a team that was performing as a lower seeded playoff team that never made it far in the playoffs. It wouldn't have been as if he was coming away from a team that consistently won 50-60 or 60+ games, had made the NBA finals once and conference finals before.

Ah, my mistake. They made it to the conference finals twice before 90-91, but I still don't think they were one of the top regular season teams in terms of record/seed.
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If I were New Orleans I would do that trade right now. But I guess the Hornet's owner has a sentimental desire to keep Paul in the fold.
That's the reason summed up for the most part. George Shinn gets off to CP3 but the guy he's selling the team to, Gary Chouest, seems to be more concerned with winning and that trade would give N.O. the young assets and cap relief it needs to be competitive. In a trade like that Dampier, Peja, Gerald Henderson, and Darius Songalia's contracts all come off the books next year which would take $33 mil off the roster.
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I hate how the NBA is structured to trade contracts instead of players.
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I hate how the NBA is structured to trade contracts instead of players.
Hence, there's going to be a lockout in 2011. The salary system is plain broken. It could drag out for some time.
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Rumors are that the Bobcats are trying and have the pieces to acquire Chris Paul. New Orleans hasn't been ready to play ball yet.

New Orleans gets

Erik Dampier ($13 million in expiring contracts)
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D.J. Augustin

Charlotte gets

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Reason NOR would trade Paul is because he's disgruntled about not being in a winning situation. LOL if this were to happen. Paul would cry every night.
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The Hornets want out from Posey's and Okafor's contracts the only problem I see is a team that is willing to trade for either player. The only teams that could really use a C and would be willing to take on Okafor's contract is Atlanta and Toronto. OKC could take on Okafor's contract in exchange for Krstic and Nick Collison but I don't think Presti would make that move. Only teams that really need a PF/C would be desperate enough to trade for Okafor which hopefully there is someone out there that is.
It won't happen, but Orlando could use both Paul and Okafor.

Carter has a $17M expiring contract. Could also send a combination of Nelson, Bass, Gortat, Pietrus, or Anderson to make it work.

I think Otis has tried, but NOR wouldn't budge.
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I dont post there but read the occassional Magic board...they've all convinced themselves that we're still getting Arenas for Carter. lol. There is no real susbtance, only quotes from a Wizards, "inside source". Arenas' contract is killer and if they view Redick as the future now, that'd be a pretty pointless move, which will, in turn, piss off Redick some more. Dude used to be incredibly depressed until SVG gave him a steady role, and now he fully expects to me starting fairly soon.
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If the Magic see Redick as better than Gilbert Arenas... i hope they never win a championship.

Arenas went from overrated to underrated on this board.

That game against phoenix when he scored 50 was one of the best performances I've ever seen in my life. It was more impressive than Lebron's game against Detroit (with far less implications).
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Arenas is better than both Redick and VC, however....he's sporting a near max contract for 4 more years. Not to mention, he's ******* insane.
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I don't think either team would want that trade. The Magic don't want Arenas's contract, and for the Wiz aside from ridding his contract he's supremely more talented than VC. VC is proven to be washed up, Arenas if he can stay healthy is still a 25 point scorer.
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VC has an expiring contract, essentially. That's why. He has a team option for next season.
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He still has/had a deadly three ball and for a while was the anti-Lebron (until the refs decided that Lebron is allowed to travel against the Wiz).

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I don't think either team would want that trade. The Magic don't want Arenas's contract, and for the Wiz aside from ridding his contract he's supremely more talented than VC. VC is proven to be washed up, Arenas if he can stay healthy is still a 25 point scorer.
Based on what? He averaged 22.6 PPG last year, and hasn't averaged 25 since 2006-2007.
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Based on what? He averaged 22.6 PPG last year, and hasn't averaged 25 since 2006-2007.
cmon he played up until January last season.

Only rookies have hot starts and cold ends. This is a veteran allstar. Why would he plateau in January when they could've been fighting for a playoff spot?

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Rumors are that the Bobcats are trying and have the pieces to acquire Chris Paul. New Orleans hasn't been ready to play ball yet.

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Per that logic would Wilson Chandler, Anthony Randolph, Curry and Felton/Turiaf be reasonable for CB3 and Okafor? You're not taking on Wallace's long term contract, but depending on how chandler plays this year they could be giving him a nice contract. That could negate that. AR's got an option, curry expires and both Felton and/or Turiaf have only one year at a reasonable rate left. Not as good of an offer depening on what you think of Augustin and Henderson and how Randolph does for NY, but Chandler's a vry good two way SF who's versatile and likely would be quite reasonable to re-sign. AR still has **** loads of talent and Felton would give them someone to ease Collison into the starting lineup with by giving him a genuine quality vet backup who can pick it up when he's struggling.
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No no no!

Chris Paul is supposed to be a Knick! :(

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I was thinking about this whole Lebron/Wade/Bosh trio and you know what this reminds me of?

When you get 10 guys together, and get on a court and pick teams, you always try to make them even so its a good game right? Like, you obviously want to win, but your competitive juices won't allow you to just take the 4 best players on your team and leave the scraps on the other team and just mop the floor with em.

Your pride won't allow you to do that. It doesn't feel right, you feel dirty and tainted.

And if you're a true competitor, you want to beat the best guys, not play with em. I know me personally, I prefer being on the team with the scraps and trying to beat the superstar team. You beat the best, you don't play with them.

I'm just trying to figure out LeBron's competitive nature. I think this hurts him a lot. I don't view him as a competitor. Even look at his favorite teams, the Yankees, and Cowboys. The guy is a front runner. Its in his nature to be like this.

I just don't get it. I'm trying to figure out why he would do this, and I don't get it. If you don't want to be known as the best, then don't call yourself King James and have press conferences about your decision and wear witness t shirts and all that hoopla.

If youre content on being second fiddle, then be a second fiddle. Don't act like "the chosen one" when you don't have that kind of heart.
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I was thinking about this whole Lebron/Wade/Bosh trio and you know what this reminds me of?

When you get 10 guys together, and get on a court and pick teams, you always try to make them even so its a good game right? Like, you obviously want to win, but your competitive juices won't allow you to just take the 4 best players on your team and leave the scraps on the other team and just mop the floor with em.


Your pride won't allow you to do that. It doesn't feel right, you feel dirty and tainted.

And if you're a true competitor, you want to beat the best guys, not play with em. I know me personally, I prefer being on the team with the scraps and trying to beat the superstar team. You beat the best, you don't play with them.

I'm just trying to figure out LeBron's competitive nature. I think this hurts him a lot. I don't view him as a competitor. Even look at his favorite teams, the Yankees, and Cowboys. The guy is a front runner. Its in his nature to be like this.

I just don't get it. I'm trying to figure out why he would do this, and I don't get it. If you don't want to be known as the best, then don't call yourself King James and have press conferences about your decision and wear witness t shirts and all that hoopla.

If youre content on being second fiddle, then be a second fiddle. Don't act like "the chosen one" when you don't have that kind of heart.
how bout this analogy: If you're playing a computer game would you rather play it legitamately or use god mode?
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