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Old 08-26-2010, 09:32 PM    (permalink
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Fairest trade: Melo/JR/Billups to Houston for Brooks/Kev. Martin/J. Hill/Battier/Jeffries + NYK's 2012 #1 + $3 million. Denv saves $21 mill.
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I have a feeling the Knicks fail on this one too. Carmelo and Amare in D'Antoni's system would be fun to watch. (main reason I wanted LeBron in NY)
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Please come and be awesome with the Knicks, Melo!
Is it wrong that I just don't care? If we get Melo and part with AR and Gallo we're not going to be a championship team unless we can get Paul to join them in a year, and even then it'll be tough for us to fill out the lineup enough to beat Miami and LA without using the recycling of veterans approach that's going to get watered down with another big time searching through the same set of players.

If we don't get Melo we're still in a really good spot as a young improving team with Stat to take the defensive focus off of all of the young guys. We won't contend yet either but at least we have a lot of cap space and keep our young pieces. And before you go after the me with the "what use is cap space with no one to spend it on" I'm just going to say that Memphis will be letting OJ Mayo or Marc Gasol walk over the next two years, both of those players would really help this team while we still kept us with the cap space for Paul or Deron in 2012.

Granted the gallo homer in me and my disappointment in LeBron as a competitor may be hugely tainting my view but if we're not going to win titles I don't want to watch Melo and Amare taking ever shot and being so tired from scoring so much that they can't even try to play D. That does not excite me, now if Melo was coming through FA I'd be much more excited, Gallo, Melo and STAT would be a trio I'd love to watch Felton hand the ball off to and we could still trade AR to find that C we'd need for the playoffs.
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yea, I'm not ever sure I'd want the Nets to give up what they'd have to for Melo. It'd be like Favors, Harris and T-WIll or some crap like that, and I dont wanna really do that
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yea, I'm not ever sure I'd want the Nets to give up what they'd have to for Melo. It'd be like Favors, Harris and T-WIll or some crap like that, and I dont wanna really do that
It's a tough situation to think objectively about. All those guys have very slick ceilings. But the fact is that there are very, very few guys that are straight up known commodities you can build a team around. Melo is one of those guys, and he's young. You know who else is young? Bropez.

My call would be if you have to execute the rest of the team to start the Lopez/Melo era, so be it. With a billionaire owner backing everything up, the rest will fall into place.
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I don't think Carmelo goes to Houston. they would have to be getting him to trade to someone else because they are the leader in moneybball, and Melo is like a HR hitter. he scores a lot, but not efficiently, which is the opposite of moneybball.
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I don't think Carmelo goes to Houston. they would have to be getting him to trade to someone else because they are the leader in moneybball, and Melo is like a HR hitter. he scores a lot, but not efficiently, which is the opposite of moneybball.

One argument against acquiring Carmelo: is it just more, or would this be a lot like the T-Mac/Yao tandem?
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It's a tough situation to think objectively about. All those guys have very slick ceilings. But the fact is that there are very, very few guys that are straight up known commodities you can build a team around. Melo is one of those guys, and he's young. You know who else is young? Bropez.

My call would be if you have to execute the rest of the team to start the Lopez/Melo era, so be it. With a billionaire owner backing everything up, the rest will fall into place.
this is true. Melo and Bropez is a filthy young combo, and we have 10 picks in the next 3 years I believe, along with some decent role/bench players who could step up if need be to start ala Farmar and Morrow if we dealt Harris and T-Will.
Farmar-Morrow-Melo-Murphy-Bropez.
(that's assuming Harris and T-Will would go in said deal).
That's an...odd team haha, but could be decent.
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yea, I'm not ever sure I'd want the Nets to give up what they'd have to for Melo. It'd be like Favors, Harris and T-WIll or some crap like that, and I dont wanna really do that
If I'm the nets Im giving up anything except Favors and Bropez

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Melo-Bropez would be one of the better 1-2 punches in the NBA. Up there with Kobe & Pau
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I love the Lopez-Anthony combo. With Yao, he just isn't going to be healthy/young enough to take advantage of the situation. Lopez and Anthony would be a dynamite 1-2 outside-inside punch. Add a few role players and voila! Instant contender.
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What would be a good package the Clippers could offer the Nuggets? They'd be very good if they got Melo.
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Gordon, Kaman, Aminu?
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Curry+Radman+Gadz for Melo/filler


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too bad it isn't true.
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I'll save Nixon the time and say that Curry only took easy shots and plays scared and Monta Ellis is the best player evar.
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Monta isn't the best player ever, and Curry stepped up late in the season.
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Is it wrong that I just don't care? If we get Melo and part with AR and Gallo we're not going to be a championship team unless we can get Paul to join them in a year, and even then it'll be tough for us to fill out the lineup enough to beat Miami and LA without using the recycling of veterans approach that's going to get watered down with another big time searching through the same set of players.

If we don't get Melo we're still in a really good spot as a young improving team with Stat to take the defensive focus off of all of the young guys. We won't contend yet either but at least we have a lot of cap space and keep our young pieces. And before you go after the me with the "what use is cap space with no one to spend it on" I'm just going to say that Memphis will be letting OJ Mayo or Marc Gasol walk over the next two years, both of those players would really help this team while we still kept us with the cap space for Paul or Deron in 2012.

Granted the gallo homer in me and my disappointment in LeBron as a competitor may be hugely tainting my view but if we're not going to win titles I don't want to watch Melo and Amare taking ever shot and being so tired from scoring so much that they can't even try to play D. That does not excite me, now if Melo was coming through FA I'd be much more excited, Gallo, Melo and STAT would be a trio I'd love to watch Felton hand the ball off to and we could still trade AR to find that C we'd need for the playoffs.
I'm not sure why you'd want OJ Mayo (vastly overrated) and Marc Gasol (good center, but not special in anyway) over a star like Melo. Personally I'd rather take my chances on getting Melo and then go from there. If we can get Paul to come, great, if not we find another point guard who can be the type of distributor we need.
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Mayo is not vastly overrated in the least, unless you're seeing reports calling him an elite player somewhere. He's a very good guard who doesn't have the best team around him to succeed. As for Gasol, he's improving every year and is a very tough and physical guy with offensive skills, so he's not exactly nothing special.
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Mayo is not vastly overrated in the least, unless you're seeing reports calling him an elite player somewhere. He's a very good guard who doesn't have the best team around him to succeed. As for Gasol, he's improving every year and is a very tough and physical guy with offensive skills, so he's not exactly nothing special.
Eh, I think he got overhyped after his rookie campaign. I just don't see him becoming a star like some. He's a good player, just not great. Which could come in time I suppose.
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wait.... as a rookie playing with 2 black holes he didn't come in and average 26 8 8 his first month? Curry = team USA, Monta = Team Vespa
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eh, I'm not saying Denver would do this but it's what I thought of real quick. But they don't need Harris with Chauncy and Lawson so really I'm not sure what we'd give up. I'd really like to hold onto Favors, but I just don't think that's possible
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