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Old 09-09-2010, 12:22 PM    (permalink
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Yea, I should have known FAs can't be traded. This is what happens when work distracts me from DC.

Honestly, I don't want to give up Noah but it's ******* Carmello Anthony. I don't want to give up a promising young C, but the Bulls (and fans) learned the hard way what happens when you refuse to give up a young promising guy for proven commodities (cough cough deng cough).

The only problem is trading Noah would mean we'd have a terrible front court defense and put all our eggs in the Omer Asik delicious Turkey basket. Unless we roll with Kurt Thomas or whatever annual the old man PF/C we sign in the offseason.
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THERE IS NO GIVING UP OF JOAKIM NOAH. As an honorary Bulls fan until the Pistons are awake, I will not allow him to be traded.
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Yea, I should have known FAs can't be traded. This is what happens when work distracts me from DC.

Honestly, I don't want to give up Noah but it's ******* Carmello Anthony. I don't want to give up a promising young C, but the Bulls (and fans) learned the hard way what happens when you refuse to give up a young promising guy for proven commodities (cough cough deng cough).

The only problem is trading Noah would mean we'd have a terrible front court defense and put all our eggs in the Omer Asik delicious Turkey basket. Unless we roll with Kurt Thomas or whatever annual the old man PF/C we sign in the offseason.
Kurt Thomas is a good player. He held it down for us the last month of the season when Bogut got hurt. I don't know if he could make it a whole season playing major minutes, but Earl Barron is a guy that's still available. If the Nuggets want to cut salary maybe they'd add Nene or Birdman to the deal.
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THERE IS NO GIVING UP OF JOAKIM NOAH. As an honorary Bulls fan until the Pistons are awake, I will not allow him to be traded.

Honestly the Bulls are way better off with Noah. You need the defense, rebounding, energy. You need those those things to win when it counts. Carmelo Anthony is flashier, but I think they would win more with Noah + Deng rather than Anthony + Kurt Thomas.
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Only reason they would is because someone would pick up on the scoring end. If they could get Melo while keeping Noah, they'd easily be in the top three teams in the NBA in terms of talent.
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Noah is now overrated.

You can't hesitate trading 6'10 pretty good center for a top 5 player in the game, you just can't.
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You can't hesitate trading 6'10 pretty good center for a top 5 player in the game, you just can't.
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I would trade Bropez for Melo if I had to, although I don't think the Nets would have needed to given the Nuggets sitch. These guys even at their ceilings are not more valuable than Melo right now, he is a franchise changing kind of force.
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I would trade Bropez for Melo if I had to, although I don't think the Nets would have needed to given the Nuggets sitch. These guys even at their ceilings are not more valuable than Melo right now, he is a franchise changing kind of force.
The Bulls really wouldn't be much better with Melo instead of Noah.
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The Bulls really wouldn't be much better with Melo instead of Noah.
Send Deng to the 2 or have him off the bench and that's a slick weapon, Rose/Melo/Boozer? At a certain point it's kind of an unstoppable offense which is not their ceiling right now. I'd like to see it in any case, still don't think melo goes anywhere.
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If I am Chicago and I can be guaranteed I can resign Melo if I trade Noah, I am doing it.


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I was a somewhat closet Joakim Noah fan until last year when he kicked arse, and then I came out of the Noah closet. And then he called LeBron a *****, and then he talked **** about Cleveland so now I'm pretty much his boyfriend.
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Send Deng to the 2 or have him off the bench and that's a slick weapon, Rose/Melo/Boozer? At a certain point it's kind of an unstoppable offense which is not their ceiling right now. I'd like to see it in any case, still don't think melo goes anywhere.
Boozer would work better with a great defender at his back like Noah.
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From a paper standpoint, trading Noah+Deng for Melo makes perfect sense, but I question whether or not its the right move on the court. How are they gonna replace Noah's toughness, defense and rebounding?

Also Melo's a great scorer, but I don't think he's a top 5 player. I don't think he's on the level of a LeBron, Kobe, Wade, Durant, healthy CP3. I don't think he does enough to affect a game.
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The trade could never happen as there is no ******* way that the nuggets would be willing to take on Dengs contract, but as I said before people are clearly underrating Carmelo Anthony. There comes a time where the increase in talent and skill is just way too much to pass up.
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For Chicago to be successful, they need Noah's rebounding and his defensive intensity. Those skills are more important to a team with Derrick Rose and Carlos Boozer than scoring.
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Noah as a piece for Melo? lol. You don't think twice.Bulls aren't going anywhere without an elite scorer. Noah is a nice piece to have but not essential. Hopefully this goes down and GS gets in a 3 way to get Luol Deng.
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Chicago needs all the rebounding, defense and toughness they can get if they want to take on Miami, Boston and Orlando. A team of Rose-Brewer-Anthony-Boozer-Thomas/Asik would only be able to get so far until they had to stop somebody. They would be a team with 1, count 'em, 1 defensive stopper. Rose, Anthony and Boozer aren't exactly known for their consistent defensive effort. Joakim Noah is better than Carmelo Anthony in the sense that he compliments the weaknesses of his teammates. To win you need a wide variety of skills.

*of course if Chicago could pull it off while keeping Noah, by all means do it.
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Chicago has no shot at Melo, I would never accept Joakim Noah as the main piece in a deal for a stud like Anthony
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Honestly, I don't see how we get much better trading Noah for Anthony. Sure we become more explosive, but we also lose defense, rebounding, hustle and leadership.

The more I think about it, the more I don't want to trade Noah for Anthony. I'm in total agreement with Shiver's logic on weakening the front court not being a very bright idea.
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Noah as a piece for Melo? lol. You don't think twice.Bulls aren't going anywhere without an elite scorer. Noah is a nice piece to have but not essential. Hopefully this goes down and GS gets in a 3 way to get Luol Deng.
Yeah Monta Ellis is an "Elite Scorer". How many games has the rebounding/defense deficient Warriors won with him as their best player.

Derrick Rose's 20 a game last year is plenty enough. They have Shooters already and low post scoring. Name 5 centers better than Joakim Noah.
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Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol, Brook Lopez, Tim Duncan, Andrew Bynum, David Lee, Al Horford
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Al Horford and David Lee aren't centers, and Andrew Bynum is hurt every week so he should not be considered better (and I'm not sure why you listed him and not Yao).
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throw Yao on that list too
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