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Old 09-11-2010, 11:08 PM    (permalink
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I guess I just do not think as highly of Carmelo Anthony as you all do. I think he is good enough to guarantee you make the playoffs, but I don't see him ever carrying a team on his back and being an "elite" player. The guy is more Tracy McGrady/Paul Pierce than he is LeBron James/Kobe Bryant.
He did it in 2002-2003...

And leading a team to an NCAA championship on your back is arguably more difficult than leading an NBA team to a championship.

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No he isn't
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Dude this board is so dumb. Blocking and Rebounding. That's it. Noah got bitched around by Shaq down in the post. Take any center add 30-40 pounds, Joakim Noah is now useless.

I love what he brings, but for the love of god, he is not Hakeem Olajuwon.
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Yes he is, but that isn't the question. I have no doubt in my mind that the Bulls with Noah would win more games than the Bulls with Anthony. Their new coach is defensive oriented anyway. They will be a very tough out next year as they currently stand, why completely change your team's direction now? They will hustle, play tough, with high energy and they have Derrick Rose as the X-Factor.
Unless Rose develops into a top 5-10 player(which I do not see happening) in the league the Bulls wont have a chance at beating a team like the Heat or Lakers. If the Bulls got Melo they would have a base upon which a championship team could be built upon, not just a 4-5 seed in the East
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Melo's great...but give me Durant 10 out of 10 times. Durant isnt that far off from becoming the league's top player, imo.
I think he'll be the league's top scorer(not just leading scorer, but the guy who is the best at scoring the ball) as early as next season. Top player overall, I'm not sure. It's really difficult to impact a game the way LeBron does.
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Unless Rose develops into a top 5-10 player(which I do not see happening) in the league the Bulls wont have a chance at beating a team like the Heat or Lakers. If the Bulls got Melo they would have a base upon which a championship team could be built upon, not just a 4-5 seed in the East
They're a legitimate contender for the two seed in the East...
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No, they wouldn't be better with Anthony. You really think a team that has no center is a "base" for a champion? A team with no defense?

Carmelo Anthony is not an elite player, sorry. You have to be efficient, you have to make your teammates better, you have to be able to play defense. All those things Anthony does not do all that well. At least not to the point where they would have any chance to beat a good team in the playoffs. They would get stomped by Miami, Orlando and Boston.

Oh and Soybean.. it is super easy for one player to carry his team through the tournament. It happens all the time, most recently with Stephen Curry's Davidson.
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They're a legitimate contender for the two seed in the East...
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Dude this board is so dumb. Blocking and Rebounding. That's it. Noah got bitched around by Shaq down in the post. Take any center add 30-40 pounds, Joakim Noah is now useless.

I love what he brings, but for the love of god, he is not Hakeem Olajuwon.
He didn't get bitched around lol. He was dominating the glass all series. He had a 20/20 game I think. He's better than Brook Lopez by a comfortable margin. Robin Lopez isn't that far behind Brook in terms of impact.
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Boozer takes them from a borderline playoff team to the #1 contender?
An improved Rose, Boozer, shooters they desperately needed (Korver, Watson), better perimeter defense (Brewer) and an actual mobile backup big man (Asik). But yeah, it's just Boozer...
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He didn't get bitched around lol. He was dominating the glass all series. He had a 20/20 game I think. He's better than Brook Lopez by a comfortable margin. Robin Lopez isn't that far behind Brook in terms of impact.
listen, i let it go and didn't care when you went on your hilarious Monta boner fests but are you kidding me? Bropez had what? 18/9 being the ONLY devent player on the Nets (Harris was hurt all year and turned to a chucker). Bropez was literally doubled and tripled the entire game, and still put up these numbers. this is hilarious. Brook Lopez is easily a top 5 center after his 2nd year. In terms of impact? Brook Lopez WAS the only impact the Nets had. your view on Brook Lopez is hilarious...and one of the stupidest and most ignorant thing I've ever, ever seen.
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All that impact, and they won 12 games. He's a garbage time all star,just like Stephen Curry. Average rebounder for his size+position. Mediocre defender. Overhyped young player for a terrible team.
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All that impact, and they won 12 games. He's a garbage time all star,just like Stephen Curry. Average rebounder for his size+position. Mediocre defender. Overhyped young player for a terrible team.
what part of doubled and tripled ALL game don't you understand? DID YOU WATCH HIM PLAY? here's your golden Monta argument. I watched EVERY SINGLE Nets game. I think I know more about Bropez than you do. Average rebounder? he averaged between 8-9 boards in his 2nd year...with YI ******* JIANLIAN as his power forward. Mediocre defender? Granted, defense isn't his strength, but to his defense, he did have to cover every teams PF and C because well...YI ******* JIANLIAN was his PF. And yes, the Nets were terrible, but at least we're building the right way and will win at least 10+ more games than the Warriors this year.
Your post just makes no sense and has more holes than swiss cheese. You have absolutely 0 clue what you're talking about when it comes to Bropez, so stop pretending like you do
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I enjoyed that thoroughly scotty.
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what part of doubled and tripled ALL game don't you understand? DID YOU WATCH HIM PLAY? here's your golden Monta argument. I watched EVERY SINGLE Nets game. I think I know more about Bropez than you do. Average rebounder? he averaged between 8-9 boards in his 2nd year...with YI ******* JIANLIAN as his power forward. Mediocre defender? Granted, defense isn't his strength, but to his defense, he did have to cover every teams PF and C because well...YI ******* JIANLIAN was his PF. And yes, the Nets were terrible, but at least we're building the right way and will win at least 10+ more games than the Warriors this year.
Your post just makes no sense and has more holes than swiss cheese. You have absolutely 0 clue what you're talking about when it comes to Bropez, so stop pretending like you do
With Yi as his power forward, he should have no one to compete with for rebounds. He was 19th in rebounding..below average.

If they win more than 10+ games, I wouldn't be surprised. They play in a more shallow conference, and are a much better team when healthy. Garbage,slop,Nellieball won't win many games anyway. Still doesn't make Brook Lopez not overrated.
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With Yi as his power forward, he should have no one to compete with for rebounds. He was 19th in rebounding..below average.

If they win more than 10+ games, I wouldn't be surprised. They play in a more shallow conference, and are a much better team when healthy. Garbage,slop,Nellieball won't win many games anyway. Still doesn't make Brook Lopez not overrated.
Well, the leading power forwards and centers are the top rebounders. There are 60 of them in the league. Being 19th is higher than being 30th, which would be average. So 19 is not only not below average, it is above it.
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Well, the leading power forwards and centers are the top rebounders. There are 60 of them in the league. Being 19th is higher than being 30th, which would be average. So 19 is not only not below average, it is above it.
Actually, using total rebound %(measures the total number of available rebounds grabbed by player whilst on the floor) he's 40th in the NBA.

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no, it means that Bropez would have to beat and box out the opposing teams PF and C. do you understand basketball?
AND I WATCH MORE THAN HIM THAN YOU! I'M RIGHT.
but seriously, you've probably seen him play like 5 times. and you totally ignored the majority of my post
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I answered everything you said. He does not rebnound at a high rate. He's mediocre for a guy who plays a lot of minutes and has no other rebounder to compete with.

David Lee competed with no one, and he rebounded well for an undersized C.
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Actually, using total rebound %(measures the total number of available rebounds grabbed by player whilst on the floor) he's 40th in the NBA.

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hey dude... there is this thing called "Minimums" that filter about half of those names off of that list. You set the minimum minutes played to 1000 (really, a resonable number. like 12-13 minutes a game) and Lopez is 21 spots higher. You go to 2000 and he is 11th overall. A guy playing 8 minutes in a game is going to get a higher proportion of rebounds than a dude carrying a team playing 32+. Proven numbers don't lie.
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He's playing huge minutes and is mediocre in rebounding statistics.
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He's playing huge minutes and is mediocre in rebounding statistics.
Yeah you are right. I'd rather have Earl Barron rebounding for my team over Brook Lopez. Barron's TRB% is unreal.
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I answered everything you said. He does not rebnound at a high rate. He's mediocre for a guy who plays a lot of minutes and has no other rebounder to compete with.

David Lee competed with no one, and he rebounded well for an undersized C.
Yeah, but D lee also stopped boxing out two years ago, and stole a lot of rebounds from Gallo and Free Candy, like literally ripped the ball out of his own team-mate's hands. So his numbers where deceiving and he wasn't as helpful of a rebounder as his numbers would suggest.
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Oh I know...The Knicks fans on realGM come over to our board to tell us that repeatedly. -.-. Brook Lopez can't even inflate his rebounding to at least give himself great stats.
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