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Old 09-23-2010, 02:39 PM    (permalink
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Melo is a lot more efficient than you're making him out to be, and I'd say he's the 6th best player in the NBA. I still wouldn't trade Bropez for him though, because he rules.
Well I wouldn't trade you for anything.


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I would definitely take Carmelo Anthony over Dwayne Wade and Chris Paul.

I wouldn't take him over Dwight Howard only because big men are a more valuable asset than a 3.

Carmelo Anthony is arguably the best pure scorer in the NBA. He can post up and he has a sweet stroke of a shot.

The only thing that makes me weary of him is his lack of a killer instinct.

You can't knock him for not making the WCF or NBA Championship when your 4 and 5 are a rotation of K-mart, Nene, and Birdman.
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So what your saying is leadership, defense and making your teammates better doesn't matter. Just scoring 28 points on 20 FGA per game, that's what is important. Jacking up shots is "pure" scoring? Seriously?

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(I guess if you don't do anything but score in Iso plays it had better be "pure" and you'd better have a "sweet stroke" if you shoot 20 times per game)


Give LeBron James, Kobe Bryant or Dwyane Wade the Nuggets of the past two years and you would have championship banners.
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This isn't Monta Ellis we're talking about here. What about Carmelo Anthony makes you feel he has no leadership skills, or that he doesn't play defense, or that he "doesn't make his teammates better"?
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Metsox I can't give you direct evidence of Melo not being a leader but his body language and me being 20 min where he grew up I have a feeling Chauncey is a better leader than Melo. O and I love Melo, but whoever said he is a 2nd guy on a championship team... na. He just needs somebody besides him with a huge heart and determination. Chauncey in his Piston years was that leader and though he was good in Denver he couldn't take them over the top.
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I've seen the Nuggets in the Western Conference playoffs. Carmelo's "pure scoring" does nothing in the post-season. Almost half of his points come out of Isolation sets and he doesn't pass out of those situations, ergo he doesn't make his teammates better. That brand of basketball is not made for team success when the games really matter.

As for defense? Really? He is notorious for 'saving' his energy for offense. He isn't close to being an All-NBA defensive player. That is what separates the greats (Kobe, LeBron, D-Wade) with the very good scorers (McGrady, Anthony, Carter). At best he could be Paul Pierce, but he needs his Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett.
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Dwayne Wade hasn't really been relevant since his championship in Miami.

It's even arguable that HE has no leadership skills.

Chris Paul puts up pretty numbers but he also hasn't done much of late including getting whacked by the Mavs. It was obvious that he could have been easily replaced by another top pg and you wouldve got the same results.

I do agree with you on Carmelo's defense though.
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I think he gets a bad rep for being on the Thuggets.
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I wonder if one of those teams is New Jersey or Chicago? That would make sense, if you dump a Noah or Lopez you need to have a solid veteran to man the fort.
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nets have already said we'e not giving up Bropez, but I'd like Damp, especially if we're trading 3 of the 4 PF's on our roster.
but I'm doubting this gets done, apparently it's getting complicated with Utah involved.
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Dampier obviously tips the balance of power in the east.
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I don't see how the Bulls would need Damp, unless they trade Noah for Melo.
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The only thing Erika will help your team do is help it lose. He's a liability on both the offensive side of the ball as well as the defensive side.
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Huh. What's the real consensus on Dampier around here? Or rather, how is he still rated as good in certain circles?
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Dampier is primarily a defensive guy who can sometimes rebound.. not much else
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True, but if you are Atlanta or Miami you could really use someone like him: 6'11" 270-lbs. to bang around Howard four times a year and in the playoffs.

Atlanta's athleticism can give any team fits, but what they've lacked is a great PG (aren't many of those) and a big body who can push Horford to PF, Smith to SF and Williams to the bench. If they wanted to push Boston and Orlando they need to do something, otherwise they've stayed the same and the rest of the East has gotten way better.

But from everything I have read Dampier is taking his talents (he's big?) to South Beach. Heat's projected lineup:

Dwyane Wade
Mike Miller
LeBron James
Chris Bosh
Erick Dampier

From what I've read the Heat think Wade, Miller and James have all played de facto PG during their careers and that having all three on the floor would be their best lineup. Unless Mario Chalmers really improves I think that would be their best bet. What a tall, lengthy lineup that would be! 6'4", 6'8", 6'8", 6'10", 6'11" and they wouldn't be slow either.
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They can have Erick Dampier. IMO Chicago, Boston, Atlanta, New York, New Jersey, Orlando, and Washington all have better Centers than Dampier and I don't see him stopping any of those guys.
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That's fair then. I thought it was just Bropez for Melo. Obviously if Favors involved you'd have to squash that trade.

You better trade for Melo though Scotty, or else he's gonna be a Knick after the off-season!
I like Favors, but he only gets so much hype because he was the 3rd pick. He looked terrible in SL against mediocre competition. He's at least 3 years away from being consistently effective. GMs get fired for holding on to appreciating assets.
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And I was advocating trading Steph Curry in a package for Melo before he stunk it up in the World Championship.
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4-way deal in the works:

Denver gets: AK47, Derrick Favors, multiple 1st round picks
New Jersey gets: Carmelo Anthony
Utah gets: Boris Diaw
Charlotte gets: Devin Harris
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4-way deal in the works:

Denver gets: AK47, Derrick Favors, multiple 1st round picks
New Jersey gets: Carmelo Anthony
Utah gets: Boris Diaw
Charlotte gets: Devin Harris
That trade is ******* horrific for Denver. Not gonna happen.
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Bleh. I would never trade for Devin Harris.
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That trade is ******* horrific for Denver. Not gonna happen.

Kirilenko's 17$ million dollar expiring and Derrick Favors, plus multiple 1st round picks is about as good as they are going to get. It's a step up from what the Knicks, Rockets and Bulls could manage and you have to get something for Carmelo Anthony.
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