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I can taste Carmelo Anthony.

I can ******* taste him.
Thats what she said.

But Melo needs to land in Houston and save that team.
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Did I miss something? Sounds like that initial trade rumor for Melo was bogus.

I also don't think we're nearly good enough to beat anyone of note even with Melo. Heat would murder us, Celtics would likely beat us, Magic would probably be a toss up..
I think we can take the Magic. They're so overrated. I think we can hang with the Celtics too. Those geezers have to break down sooner or later. We play them tough even now without Melo.

And Amare owns Garnett. Has owned him for awhile.

The only team that would really scare me is Miami. But that's a given. I'm not saying we'll definitely beat any other team in the East, but I definitely feel that we can compete with any team in the East outside of Miami if we get Melo.

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That would be the worst defensive front court in playoff history. They would get absolutely destroyed on the inside by every contender in the East.
Eh. Our defense sucks anyway. What difference does it make? We'll be the same defensively while dramatically improving our offense.
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What team would have a worst defensive frontcourt than Gallo-Melo-Amare?

All the elite teams have very good scoring big men(KG,Horford,Bosh,Boozer,Howard would still easily put up 25) who would destroy that frountcourt. Mozgov is really not good. I understand he has improved since the beginning of the year(where he was unplayable) but even a guy like Perkins or Shaq would have their way with him Not to mention I highly doubt Melo could guard D-Wade or chase Allen through screens
We'd be looking at Gallo/Melo-Amar'e-Mozgov/Turiaf when we have to go big, which is better than the sixers or pacers, Bulls without Noah and not much worse than Miami. If we're going small yeah we'll get scored on, but we'd have the ability to match up if we had to with Turiaf and Mozzie's recent play. Amar'e shown he can be a factor as a shot blocker when he wants to, although that's not often in right now, Melo has played good D in the playoffs before as well and Gallo's our best perimeter defender, well him or Landry Fields although Gallo's a little better for now.

We're clearly not going be the Celtics, but if our O is as good as it would be we wouldn't need to be dominant defensively we'd just need to be able to come up with key stops which we'd be able to do with that group, especially if we can wear down the opposition from having to try and contain our D.

Melo made Kobe put in work, I think he can do the same against D-wade or Ray Allen for a quarter a game. Mozzie's not great, but he is a good defender now that he's not a walking foul/fumble. His man D needs a lot of work since he's used to rushing out the perimeter, but he's a good shot blocker. Good perimeter D and shotblocking should be enough with that O to at least legitimately contend. We'd still get beat up inside sometimes but so few teams run their O through the paint that we could be able to get away with that.
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Shooting 55% in the playoffs against the Celtics on the road? I mean sure it's possible....but it is really really really ******* unlikely. The Celtics are built for the playoffs. The Celtics have ridiculous big man depth to destroy the Knicks down low and stil ahve Rondo,Allen and Pierce
My point is this team goes on uncanny shooting streaks. And when they're hot, they're REALLY hot because Amare scores in bunches.

I'm just thinking back to that Bulls game in the beginning of the year. Sometimes it comes down to shooting and the Knicks go through stretches (more than a full game) where they simply can't miss.

Add in a weapon like Melo and it's scary to think how they could do if their secondary options get hot.

It's not my preferred style of basketball but with two of the best offensive players in the game on one side it might work better than it has.
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My point is this team goes on uncanny shooting streaks. And when they're hot, they're REALLY hot because Amare scores in bunches.

I'm just thinking back to that Bulls game in the beginning of the year. Sometimes it comes down to shooting and the Knicks go through stretches (more than a full game) where they simply can't miss.

Add in a weapon like Melo and it's scary to think how they could do if their secondary options get hot.

It's not my preferred style of basketball but with two of the best offensive players in the game on one side it might work better than it has.
With Amar'e, Melo and Gallo we'd have 3 guys who can get us tough buckets when everyone's cold, that's the key to bringing in Melo, it lets us light teams up even when we're not on fire, while we'd still have the guns to get super hot.
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I don't think Amar'e lacks motivation to get blocks or boards but it's just he has never actually been taught the proper techniques to do so, too many years under D'Antoni, which makes him seem unmotivated. While he is actually just getting by on pure athleticism, one of the major reasons people feel he will decline quicker than most.
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If that proposed deal goes through, calling it highway robbery is the understatement of the year.

I can't imagine them accepting that trade. But hey, if they do, sweeeeet!

I was almost certain we'd lose Landry Fields in a trade for Melo. Still can, but it would be great if we can keep Fields.
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Stat is one of the worst rebounding PFs I've ever seen. It's painful watching him try to box out. At first I thought his avg of 9 or so rebounds was good enough, but as the season went on, you get more and more frustrated with his glaring issues with rebounding. That's really his main weakness. The guy is a stud, he just needs to learn how to box out and better recognition on defense.

That's why we need a rebounding Center in the worst way.
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I don't think Amar'e lacks motivation to get blocks or boards but it's just he has never actually been taught the proper techniques to do so, too many years under D'Antoni. Which makes him seem unmotivated, while he is actually just getting by on pure athleticism, one of the major reasons people feel he will decline quicker than most.
There's probably some truth to that, but there's too many plays where Amar'e just has sit back and watch because he's too tired, in foul trouble or just plain not entirely focused. There's some series where he's clearly focused and dialed in on D where he'll pound away a few blocks and even put in some solid man D by making a guy actually put in work to get off a difficult shot. He's anchored our D through some really good stretches it's just sporadic.
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We'd be looking at Gallo/Melo-Amar'e-Mozgov/Turiaf when we have to go big, which is better than the sixers or pacers, Bulls without Noah and not much worse than Miami. If we're going small yeah we'll get scored on, but we'd have the ability to match up if we had to with Turiaf and Mozzie's recent play. Amar'e shown he can be a factor as a shot blocker when he wants to, although that's not often in right now, Melo has played good D in the playoffs before as well and Gallo's our best perimeter defender, well him or Landry Fields although Gallo's a little better for now.

We're clearly not going be the Celtics, but if our O is as good as it would be we wouldn't need to be dominant defensively we'd just need to be able to come up with key stops which we'd be able to do with that group, especially if we can wear down the opposition from having to try and contain our D.

Melo made Kobe put in work, I think he can do the same against D-wade or Ray Allen for a quarter a game. Mozzie's not great, but he is a good defender now that he's not a walking foul/fumble. His man D needs a lot of work since he's used to rushing out the perimeter, but he's a good shot blocker. Good perimeter D and shotblocking should be enough with that O to at least legitimately contend. We'd still get beat up inside sometimes but so few teams run their O through the paint that we could be able to get away with that.
Bulls are getting Noah back in like a week, and well before playoffs, so don't know what your point there was.

Gallo playing PF on Boozer would be incredible. I don't know who was on him in the last game vs. the Knicks, but he went for 26 and 19. And that was with Kurt Thomas as the other post presence being defended by STAT probably. With Noah, the Knicks inside D would get eaten alive.
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Stat is one of the worst rebounding PFs I've ever seen. It's painful watching him try to box out. At first I thought his avg of 9 or so rebounds was good enough, but as the season went on, you get more and more frustrated with his glaring issues with rebounding. That's really his main weakness. The guy is a stud, he just needs to learn how to box out and better recognition on defense.

That's why we need a rebounding Center in the worst way.
*knock on wood* Mozzie's been blowing me away with how he's been attacking the boards since he's gotten back into the rotation. He's not just boxing out, he's boxing out and then really going after the ball well.
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Amare can play D when he wants. The guy just doesnt like doing it all the time. He saves his energy.

But when the game gets tight and he needs to play defense, he plays it and usually plays it well. He is incapable of putting together a complete game on defense though, he just doesn't want to play it all the time.

Especially when he gets in foul trouble early.

I feel like a good defensive coach can mold him into a good defender. But perhaps its too late in his career for that to happen. Who knows.
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Amare can play D when he wants. The guy just doesnt like doing it all the time. He saves his energy.

But when the game gets tight and he needs to play defense, he plays it and usually plays it well. He is incapable of putting together a complete game on defense though, he just doesn't want to play it all the time.

Especially when he gets in foul trouble early.

I feel like a good defensive coach can mold him into a good defender. But perhaps its too late in his career for that to happen. Who knows.



I've really always thought this about Amare, and in fact I still think he is a raw basketball player. However, when you play basically your entire career under D'Antoni, not much is going to be developed fundamentally in his style of play.

I think Amare could be sexy if Thibs was coaching him on D. He's already got a great shot blocking instinct, he just lacks fundamentals.
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Bulls are getting Noah back in like a week, and well before playoffs, so don't know what your point there was.

Gallo playing PF on Boozer would be incredible. I don't know who was on him in the last game vs. the Knicks, but he went for 26 and 19. And that was with Kurt Thomas as the other post presence being defended by STAT probably. With Noah, the Knicks inside D would get eaten alive.
They beat the Bulls that night though. So it really doesn't mean much.

And getting Melo is a much bigger upgrade than getting Noah back.


Truth be told, I think the Knicks can take the Bulls even without Melo.
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I've really always thought this about Amare, and in fact I still think he is a raw basketball player. However, when you play basically your entire career under D'Antoni, not much is going to be developed fundamentally in his style of play.

I think Amare could be sexy if Thibs was coaching him on D. He's already got a great shot blocking instinct, he just lacks fundamentals.
I personally despise D'Antoni's brand of basketball. I don't believe in it.

One nice thing about Stoudemire is his willingness to improve. He's a hard worker, so perhaps under the right coach he can work on his defense.

But unfortunately for us, I don't think D'Antoni is getting fired any time soon.
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Bulls are getting Noah back in like a week, and well before playoffs, so don't know what your point there was.

Gallo playing PF on Boozer would be incredible. I don't know who was on him in the last game vs. the Knicks, but he went for 26 and 19. And that was with Kurt Thomas as the other post presence being defended by STAT probably. With Noah, the Knicks inside D would get eaten alive.
Wasn't sure if he was gone for the season or not, been too long since his injury for me to remember, which is why I wasn't sure and hedged my comment.

Gallo's not ready to play PF, but he's a good defender at the 3, which is why I think Melo would play the 4 if we're going small. And yes if we're playing small, teams can beat up our D by going big.
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They beat the Bulls that night. What's your point?

And getting Melo is a much bigger upgrade than getting Noah back.


Truth be told, I think the Knicks can take the Bulls even without Melo.
Oh, I'm not saying anything about the outcome.

Just that A. It was pointless to say the Knicks would have a better frontcourt than the Bulls without Noah and B. that the with a healthy Noah and Boozer, they could probably combine for at least 40 and 30 against the Knicks.

Who would win a series (if the Knickerbockers get Melo) is compeltely different and I wouldn't be willing to wager a guess until it's closer to the end of the year. It would be a very entertaining series, though.
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Oh, I'm not saying anything about the outcome.

Just that A. It was pointless to say the Knicks would have a better frontcourt than the Bulls without Noah and B. that the with a healthy Noah and Boozer, they could probably combine for at least 40 and 30 against the Knicks.

Who would win a series (if the Knickerbockers get Melo) is compeltely different and I wouldn't be willing to wager a guess until it's closer to the end of the year. It would be a very entertaining series, though.
Knicks/Bulls would be HUGE for the NBA. I still hate the Bulls haha.

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Just that A. It was pointless to say the Knicks would have a better frontcourt than the Bulls without Noah and B. that the with a healthy Noah and Boozer, they could probably combine for at least 40 and 30 against the Knicks.

Who would win a series (if the Knickerbockers get Melo) is compeltely different and I wouldn't be willing to wager a guess until it's closer to the end of the year. It would be a very entertaining series, though.
Yeah, that's my dream matchup for the Knicks. It'd be a really hard fought close series plus it's my fav team v the city I live in, which is always fun.
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God, has it really been that long since the epic 90s games? It was like every single year they faced eachother in the post season. It didn't matter who was seeded where, they managed to ALWAYS face eachother at some point.

There were a couple years where the Heat tried to sneak in all like, "Hai guyz, we can haz rivalry 2?" But the Bulls and Knicks would just kick them in the balls and tell them to sit back down with the rest of the little kids.
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There were a couple years where the Heat tried to sneak in all like, "Hai guyz, we can haz rivalry 2?" But the Bulls and Knicks would just kick them in the balls and tell them to sit back down with the rest of the little kids.
Haha, that's so true.

It was so frustrating as a Knicks fan, bc we basically knew the winner of that series would most likely win the title that year, and we just kept losing! Aaaaaah!

I'm not sure if you're old enough to remember the infamous Charles Smith game 6 layup series. I still haven't recovered from that. I don't think I ever will.

We need that rivalry back. That was such an epic rivalry. The NBA misses those kind of rivalries. That's why it sucks so much for the past decade. No real rivalries.

Nothing like Knicks/Bulls at least.
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Why God? Why? Why did you do that to me? And WHY DIDN'T YOU DUNK IT SMITH? I HATE YOU SO MUCH.

Oh and thanks refs for calling a foul. It's not like the Bulls raped him under the hoop or anything.


For those that are too young to remember that, that was game 6. If we won that game, we go to the Finals and we would most likely win the championship.

Instead, that happens. Then we lose game 7 in Chicago.

I was 10 years old when that happened. I still remember the next day in school, with all the front runner Bulls fans laughing and all the Knicks fans moping.

We all fought during recess.

I hate the Bulls. Always have. Always will.
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Why God? Why? Why did you do that to me? And WHY DIDN'T YOU DUNK IT SMITH? I HATE YOU SO MUCH.

Oh and thanks refs for calling a foul. It's not like the Bulls raped him under the hoop or anything.


For those that are too young to remember that, that was game 6. If we won that game, we go to the Finals and we would most likely win the championship.

Instead, that happens. Then we lose game 7 in Chicago.

I was 10 years old when that happened. I still remember the next day in school, with all the front runner Bulls fans laughing and all the Knicks fans moping.

We all fought during recess.

I hate the Bulls. Always have. Always will.
I have a cassette of that season for the Bulls somewhere where that call is on it. Winner!

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Poor Patrick Ewing.

The man never had any help. And when he did, he was too old.

I always felt that if we just got Ewing another guy in his prime, just ONE guy, we would've won at least 1 championship.
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There's way too much Knicks talk going on here.



So, how 'bout those Kings!
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