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Old 02-07-2011, 08:53 PM    (permalink
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New York and Chicago would be so epic or the NBA. As much as I despise the Knicks it would be awesome to have them back again.

D'Antoni has to go though. The Knicks won't win anything as long as he's the coach. Defense is vital in the playoffs and well yeah, that's not going to happen under his watch.

Jeff Van Gundy should return to bench, although I don't know how Knick fans would feel about that.

Oh, and if the Nuggets do trade Carmelo I'd love to take Afflalo off their hands. He's a perfect fit at the 2 and wouldn't cost much.
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blah blah blah Knicks blah blah blah Timofey Mozgov blah blah blah

Let's focus on more important things like the Wolves winning tonight, and K-Love's 37th straight double double.
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Melo dropped 50 on the Rockets. Cousins 25/14 in a loss to the Jazz :/
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Yeah, and Corey Brewer had 3 poins tonight and Wilson Chandler had 12 last night. Come Denver, u know u want these starts lighting it up and Mr. 50 in New York!
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Losing Bynum hurts, but Melo is a stud and would be amazing to have. I know it's preliminary talks and whatnot, but I think Bynum would be the best player they could get from either this or the NY/MIN deal.

Deal works straight up, would be interesting to see if Denver would like to shed more players/money.
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That deal is a million times better for the Nuggets than the Knicks deal. That would be absolutely insane.
They get a constantly injured Bynum for 7 mil per more than Chandler and get to pay the luxury tax this year for a first round playoff exit. The Knicks deal at least gets them under the LuxTax and at least Chandler's only hurt once a year.

Edit: *shrug* maybe I'm just under-rating Bynum and his contract isn't as bad of an albatross as I seem to think it would be for a non-contending team.
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As many draft picks as the Nuggets want, maybe cash.

Better than Corey Brewer, Wilson Chandler, and picks, IMO.
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As many draft picks as the Nuggets want, maybe cash, and a player who you can legitimately build around / consider a centerpiece for the future.

Better than Corey Brewer, Wilson Chandler, and picks, IMO.
But you've already traded your 2011 pick so you can only trade your 2013 pick, which is far more useless than the picks in our deal. I guess it does come down to whether you think you can build around Bynum because IMO he's a complimentary piece just like Ill Will.
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They get a constantly injured Bynum for 7 mil per more than Chandler and get to pay the luxury tax this year for a first round playoff exit. The Knicks deal at least gets them under the LuxTax and at least Chandler's only hurt once a year.

Edit: *shrug* maybe I'm just under-rating Bynum and his contract isn't as bad of an albatross as I seem to think it would be for a non-contending team.
You are definately underrating Bynum and overrating Chandler. Even with Bynum's injury history he is still a young 7 footer who can dominate games when healthy. While Wilson Chandler is a nice player to have he really is nothing special and isn't a legit building block for a team to rebuild with. Not to mention he is a RFA this year and is due a big contract. It really isn't close imo.
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You are definately underrating Bynum and overrating Chandler. Even with Bynum's injury history he is still a young 7 footer who can dominate games when healthy. While Wilson Chandler is a nice player to have he really is nothing special and isn't a legit building block for a team to rebuild with. Not to mention he is a RFA this year and is due a big contract. It really isn't close imo.
You may be right, I just can't imagine an owner who's so intent on fixing his team's finances from this trade being happy to spend 15 mil a year for a guy who will miss a third of the season every year. You're talking about tens of millions of dollars that LA's deal will cost them more since if they get Bynum they won't get under the LuxTax and likely won't be next year either even though they'll be a borderline playoff team at best. As for Wilson's contract let's say he gets 8 mil per, which seems fair to Wilson's value, that's still a lot better than 15 per for a guy who's often hurt and I wouldn't call him dominant, he could become dominant, but he's not dominant right now, even if healthy.
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You may be right, I just can't imagine an owner who's so intent on fixing his team's finances from this trade being happy to spend 15 mil a year for a guy who will miss a third of the season every year. You're talking about tens of millions of dollars that LA's deal will cost them more since if they get Bynum they won't get under the LuxTax and likely won't be next year either even though they'll be a borderline playoff team at best. As for Wilson's contract let's say he gets 8 mil per, which seems fair to Wilson's value, that's still a lot better than 15 per for a guy who's often hurt and I wouldn't call him dominant, he could become dominant, but he's not dominant right now, even if healthy.
You are clearly overlooking the premium put on 7 footers who aren't stiffs in this league. Wing players similar to Wilson Chandler are a dime a dozen in this league...hell....look at Landry Fields. The Knicks already found a replacement for Chandler in the second round.
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*shrug* Bynum's still not a dominant player even if he's a Center, then you consider that he's highly paid and often injured. Just doesn't seem like a guy worthy of replacing Melo with if you're not even going to get some good youngins with him or some serious savings. Sure Chandler's not as good as Melo either, but they're not going to replace Melo with an equivalent talent so I would imagine getting serious savings and more young pieces would be more appealing than just getting back one piece, with no cap savings, who's often injured and thereby made unreliable. It just seems like a really big risk that the trade nets you next to nothing if Bynum's injuries just get worse. At least with the Knicks trade you're bringing in one starter who's still young and improving, another good wing, some picks and some major savings that are immediate.
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*shrug* Bynum's still not a dominant player even if he's a Center, then you consider that he's highly paid and often injured. Just doesn't seem like a guy worthy of replacing Melo with if you're not even going to get some good youngins with him or some serious savings. Sure Chandler's not as good as Melo either, but they're not going to replace Melo with an equivalent talent so I would imagine getting serious savings and more young pieces would be more appealing than just getting back one piece, with no cap savings, who's often injured and thereby made unreliable. It just seems like a really big risk that the trade nets you next to nothing if Bynum's injuries just get worse. At least with the Knicks trade you're bringing in one starter who's still young and improving, another good wing, some picks and some major savings that are immediate.
I hope you aren't referring to Corey Brewer as "another good wing", Chandler is a RFA...so realistically the Nuggets could lose him after this year. Wouldn't they only be getting 1 or 2 picks that I assume would be lottery protected. The Knicks deal is absolutely horrible the for the Nuggets and is about million times worse than the rumoured Nets deals and significantly worse than the Lakers deal
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I had been told that he had started playing well lately, that's what a I get for trusting a woman's opinion on sports. Anyway's Talent wise you're certainly correct that the Nets offer was a dream come true and if Denver really backed out of that one rather than Melo nix'ing it they're absolutely fools and deserve to lose him for nothing in the summer, that said that deals not an actual offer since Melo won't re-sign there so why even bring it up anymore?
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Just heard that Bynum has two years left on his deal, but the last one is a team option.

That's even better for Denver.
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Just heard that Bynum has two years left on his deal, but the last one is a team option.

That's even better for Denver.
Because they'll have to give him another big contract for them to get anything out of the deal? I just don't see them ever contending with Bynum as their centerpiece and yet they'll still be paying the Luxury Tax after this trade for a worse team. That just doesn't make sense to me. At least with Wilson Chandler you are far less financial handicapped in rebuilding the team because you can get Nene re-signed and Chandler for not much more than Bynum's cost and you'd avoid the Lux Tax threshold this season so you'd start seeing much more immediate savings. Which if you're trading Melo for less talent than he's worth has to be part of the considerations.
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If Carmelo is down to sign an extension, I say make this deal in a heart beat. And then in 2 years we sign Howard? No big.
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NOOOOO.....Imma be ******* mad if Melo comes to LA
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