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Old 03-03-2011, 12:51 AM    (permalink
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Moving on suck it Brodeur and WMD your team lost to the Wolves.
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The Bulls are like the Atlanta Falcons this year. A good solid all around team that's overachieving and will get exposed in the playoffs.

They don't scare me at all. If we can't play Atlanta in the 1st round, I want Chicago. We'll beat Chicago.

Good luck scoring in the postseason with no shooting guard. And good luck defending Melo and Stat. They don't have the horses to defend either of them.

Jokim Noah? Give me a break. He's just a glorified hustle guy.

And Boozer is so overrated. Rose is going to have to carry that team in the postseason, and I just don't think he's on LeBron's level, he's not capable of doing that just yet.

It's not their time, they're a solid but not spectacular team. Not enough fire power to win in the playoffs in the East.
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The Bulls are like the Atlanta Falcons this year. A good solid all around team that's overachieving and will get exposed in the playoffs.

They don't scare me at all. If we can't play Atlanta in the 1st round, I want Chicago. We'll beat Chicago.

Good luck scoring in the postseason with no shooting guard. And good luck defending Melo and Stat. They don't have the horses to defend either of them.

Jokim Noah? Give me a break. He's just a glorified hustle guy.

And Boozer is so overrated. Rose is going to have to carry that team in the postseason, and I just don't think he's on LeBron's level, he's not capable of doing that just yet.

It's not their time, they're a solid but not spectacular team. Not enough fire power to win in the playoffs in the East.
So the Knicks weaknesses are quick point guards who can get into the lane and bigs who can excel at offensive rebounds for easy putbacks.

Sounds exactly like the Bulls strengths. The Bulls have always struggled with teams looking for the three, now with their trades they are more inclined to shoot mid-range shots with Melo and Amare. A lot more of what the Bulls can defend very well. The Bulls may struggle getting the first shot but with Noah and Boozer they will clean up the offensive boards against the Knicks and their lack of size.
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So the Knicks weaknesses are quick point guards who can get into the lane and bigs who can excel at offensive rebounds for easy putbacks.

Sounds exactly like the Bulls strengths. The Bulls have always struggled with teams looking for the three, now with their trades they are more inclined to shoot mid-range shots with Melo and Amare. A lot more of what the Bulls can defend very well. The Bulls may struggle getting the first shot but with Noah and Boozer they will clean up the offensive boards against the Knicks and their lack of size.
You don't have anyone who can defend Stoudemire. Boozer nor Noah can defend him and if you double him, Melo will kill his defender.

I'm not worried about our offense at all, we're gonna score on the Bulls.

Yes, rebounds could be an issue, but the Knicks struggle with sheer size and girth moreso than guys who are just good rebounders. For example, the Lakers, the Magic, the Spurs, guys with dominant bigs with bulk on em will give us a lot of trouble with their length and size bc we lack the muscle to defend them in the paint.

But the Bulls won't. Noah isn't that hulking presence, and Boozer is short. You guys aren't really that big at all.

I honestly think too much is being made of our "donut" in the middle of our defense. Only a select few teams can take advantage of it, it's not like every playoff team in the East has that big body who can take advantage of it.

If you think about it, only 4 teams can say they have true bigs: LA, Dallas, SA, and Orlando. That's it.

We'd only have to go through 1 of them in the East. So I'm not overly concerned about size. I think people are overblowing the issue.
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You don't have anyone who can defend Stoudemire. Boozer nor Noah can defend him and if you double him, Melo will kill his defender.

I'm not worried about our offense at all, we're gonna score on the Bulls.

Yes, rebounds could be an issue, but the Knicks struggle with sheer size and girth moreso than guys who are just good rebounders. For example, the Lakers, the Magic, the Spurs, guys with dominant bigs with bulk on em will give us a lot of trouble with their length and size bc we lack the muscle to defend them in the paint.

But the Bulls won't. Noah isn't that hulking presence, and Boozer is short. You guys aren't really that big at all.

I honestly think too much is being made of our "donut" in the middle of our defense. Only a select few teams can take advantage of it, it's not like every playoff team in the East has that big body who can take advantage of it.

If you think about it, only 4 teams can say they have true bigs: LA, Dallas, SA, and Orlando. That's it.

We'd only have to go through 1 of them in the East. So I'm not overly concerned about size. I think people are overblowing the issue.
Deng is real good matchup defensively for Carmelo. There is no reason to double him as he will have to work. Amare has not been down low trying to bang guys down low. A lot of his work has been done with jump shots. Noah is great matchup for that type of offense.

Rebounders are rebounders. That is just about effort and want. Boozer and Noah are both GREAT rebounders. The Knicks offense does not take advantage of the the Bulls defensive weaknesses. The Knicks have a similar offense to the Heat now and the Bulls defend them very well.

The Bulls will not absolutely kill the Knicks on the Block but they will dominate in the paint in general because of put backs.

I think generally assuming the Knicks will defeat the Bulls with what seems to be intimated as limited effort would be unwise. I imagine the series will end up being 6 or 7 games either way.
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It is just going to be tough for them in the playoffs because the PG is the best player, 2nd in the league at 20.2 shot attempts..last time that happened and it worked was Isiah and the Pistons. I do think Noah is a hell of a defensive/effort/passionate player and just plays hard, Turiaf would get handled. It doesn't matter too much though because he isn't a good enough offensive player yet and I think Boozer will have tons of trouble with Stoude, he isn't nearly as quick enough.
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It is just going to be tough for them in the playoffs because the PG is the best player, 2nd in the league at 20.2 shot attempts..last time that happened and it worked was Isiah and the Pistons. I do think Noah is a hell of a defensive/effort/passionate player and just plays hard, Turiaf would get handled. It doesn't matter too much though because he isn't a good enough offensive player yet and I think Boozer will have tons of trouble with Stoude, he isn't nearly as quick enough.
Defensively you put Noah on Stoudemire and Boozer on Turiaf. Force Stoudemire to make moves on the block.
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Once again, that same rule applies with Noah.. he is a better defensive player than Boozer by far but STAT can just move quicker than Noah and since he can hit that mid-range now..by then Chauncey and him should be on the money.
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Once again, that same rule applies with Noah.. he is a better defensive player than Boozer by far but STAT can just move quicker than Noah and since he can hit that mid-range now..by then Chauncey and him should be on the money.
Noah is one of the quickest big men in the league. He pretty much kept Bosh out of the paint with his drives and forced him to shoot 18 footers all night.

Right now Bosh and Amare have the same game.
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Hahahah....................................... Bosh is a pretty slow moving guy.

O and he is nothing like Amare besides the fact they can each hit that midranger consistent. Amare goes hard, Bosh does not.
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Hahahah....................................... Bosh is a pretty slow moving guy.

O and he is nothing like Amare besides the fact they can each hit that midranger consistent. Amare goes hard, Bosh does not.
They have the same game is that they have a face-up post game. I am confident that having Amare driving to the basket consistently is the best way to beat the Knicks. Amare will beat Noah every so often but it wouldn't be a brow beating that you seem to be making it out to be.
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Deng is real good matchup defensively for Carmelo. There is no reason to double him as he will have to work. Amare has not been down low trying to bang guys down low. A lot of his work has been done with jump shots. Noah is great matchup for that type of offense.

Rebounders are rebounders. That is just about effort and want. Boozer and Noah are both GREAT rebounders. The Knicks offense does not take advantage of the the Bulls defensive weaknesses. The Knicks have a similar offense to the Heat now and the Bulls defend them very well.

The Bulls will not absolutely kill the Knicks on the Block but they will dominate in the paint in general because of put backs.

I think generally assuming the Knicks will defeat the Bulls with what seems to be intimated as limited effort would be unwise. I imagine the series will end up being 6 or 7 games either way.
Oh don't get me wrong, I think regardless of who would win the series, I think it goes at least 6 games. I just don't think it's a foregone conclusion that the Bulls mop the floor with us like many are saying. Even media outlets here locally don't give us a chance and I think that's absurd.

Our offense isn't much like Miami's at all. They're built on the fast break, we're a half court offense now. Amare has plenty of post up moves, he just also happens to have a sick jumper and teams clog the lane bc they're afraid of him taking it to the paint, so he hits the jumper when they give it to him.

Noah can't defend Amare without help. I guarantee you if they think they can put Noah straight up on Stat, he's going to abuse him.

Melo can post up too. We actually have a very good inside/outside offense now, and a solid half court. We could actually use more jump shooters but I think you're underestimating our inside game.

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Right now Bosh and Amare have the same game.
No no noooooo. Bosh is nothing like Amare. Not even close. Amare's inside game is 10 billion times better than Bosh. And while Amare can't box out to save his life, he's a much better shot blocker on the defensive end and plays ALOT tougher. Chris Bosh is a 7 foot small forward who just shoots jump shots. Or as I like to say, a tall pu$$y.

I think people are underestimating Stat's presence as a big man. All I hear is how we lack a big man, yet we have Stat. Ok, he's not Dwight Howard, but the guy gives us a presence inside both offensively and to a lesser extent, defensively. It's not like we have no big man at all. We do. We just need another guy who can play Center for 25 minutes, give us 6 rebounds and 6 fouls from that position each night. That's all.

And I think the addition of Jeffries as a hustle/rebound/defense guy was an underrated pick up. People are sleeping on the Knicks.
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Are you really comparing Jeff Green to Chris Bosh... really?
yea, jeff green is way tougher and way more awesome...and more of a small forward but still.

and bbd, i dont think STAT would quite abuse Noah one on one as you're saying he would.
or they'd just throw kurt thomas on him and he'd be done
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yea, jeff green is way tougher and way more awesome...and more of a small forward but still.

and bbd, i dont think STAT would quite abuse Noah one on one as you're saying he would.
or they'd just throw kurt thomas on him and he'd be done
Eh. I think this board thinks higher of Noah than I do. If we iso Stat on Noah with a lane, I'm taking Stat to win that battle all day.

And if they want to clog that lane and bring a 2nd body when he drives, we have Melo waiting for the ball. Or they'll rack up fouls. Either way, I'm betting on Stat.


Stat isn't the 3rd leading scorer in the league by accident. The guy has been facing double teams all season, and he's gone against plenty of quality big defenders and still got his. I wont' deny he leaves some to be desired defensively, but offensively, you can't stop him. He's gonna get his. Noah can't handle him 1 on 1, nobody in the league can. Even Dwight Howard and Tim Duncan couldn't defend him 1 on 1.

*shrug*
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Eh. I think this board thinks higher of Noah than I do. If we iso Stat on Noah with a lane, I'm taking Stat to win that battle all day.

And if they want to clog that lane and bring a 2nd body when he drives, we have Melo waiting for the ball. Or they'll rack up fouls. Either way, I'm betting on Stat.

*shrug*
i'm not a noah fan at all, but I think if they have Boozer over to help, Noah would be fine. I don't see Deng leaving 'Melo to help as the second body. I think it'd be Noah up in STAT's face when he's got the ball at the top of the key, if he drives and beats Noah, Boozer rotates and I don't think the Bulls would think twice about leaving Shawne Williams, Ronny Turiaf or whoever the hell else would be there.

OR, just have Kurt Thomas there to **** STAT up because, well, that's what Kurt Thomas do
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i'm not a noah fan at all, but I think if they have Boozer over to help, Noah would be fine. I don't see Deng leaving 'Melo to help as the second body. I think it'd be Noah up in STAT's face when he's got the ball at the top of the key, if he drives and beats Noah, Boozer rotates and I don't think the Bulls would think twice about leaving Shawne Williams, Ronny Turiaf or whoever the hell else would be there.

OR, just have Kurt Thomas there to **** STAT up because, well, that's what Kurt Thomas do
I love me some Kurt Thomas. Believe me, he has a special place in my heart.

But Stoudemire would eat him alive too. I quote Joe Budden, and this line goes for both Kurt Thomas and Carlos Boozer:

"Talk about he real, how he quick with a glock
But like Kurt Thomas he ain't good for **** on the block"
(i always think of this line whenever i hear Kurt Thomas bc...it's true. Kurt can't block a shot to save his life)

If the Bulls are relying on Carlos Boozer and Kurt Thomas to alter Stat's shot when he blows past Noah, it's gonna be a long night for them.

Which goes back to my point that the Bulls interior presence is extremely overrated.
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i'm not a noah fan at all, but I think if they have Boozer over to help, Noah would be fine. I don't see Deng leaving 'Melo to help as the second body. I think it'd be Noah up in STAT's face when he's got the ball at the top of the key, if he drives and beats Noah, Boozer rotates and I don't think the Bulls would think twice about leaving Shawne Williams, Ronny Turiaf or whoever the hell else would be there.

OR, just have Kurt Thomas there to **** STAT up because, well, that's what Kurt Thomas do
Except that Boozer sucks at help defense. I think when the Bulls really need stops they bring in Asik and the Knicks will not get a rebound or anything inside.
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I love me some Kurt Thomas. Believe me, he has a special place in my heart.

But Stoudemire would eat him alive too. I quote Joe Budden, and this line goes for both Kurt Thomas and Carlos Boozer:

"Talk about he real, how he quick with a glock
But like Kurt Thomas he ain't good for **** on the block"
(i always think of this line whenever i hear Kurt Thomas bc...it's true. Kurt can't block a shot to save his life)

If the Bulls are relying on Carlos Boozer and Kurt Thomas to alter Stat's shot when he blows past Noah, it's gonna be a long night for them.

Which goes back to my point that the Bulls interior presence is extremely overrated.
As I just posted, Asik is the 2nd best interior defender. Personally, I wouldn't even mind trying a zone on the knicks now and play with length with Rose, Brewer, Deng, Asik and Noah. It is not the Thibs way however.
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Except that Boozer sucks at help defense. I think when the Bulls really need stops they bring in Asik and the Knicks will not get a rebound or anything inside.
Double edged sword. If you completely sell out to stop our inside game, you leave yourself absolutely no inside game to speak of on your offensive end.

And when you come out in that defense heavy lineup, not only do you lose your inside post game, but you also allow us to focus on Rose more defensively, you have no sharp shooter to kick out to that will punish us, and taking Boozer off the court takes away any pressure from our interior guys of having to play tight defense.

We can defend Rose better in that situation bc we can come out with Carter and Billups in the back court.

I just think most matchup scenarios favor the Knicks.

Again I don't want to come off like I'm saying we'll destroy the Bulls, I don't think that at all, I'm moreso challenging the notion that the Bulls will destroy us.

I don't think that will be the case at all. I think we have a legit chance to beat them, and if I were to bet on it, I'd bet on the Knicks (i'm also a basketball homer though).
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And besides, **** the Bulls. Yeah, I'm still bitter. I want to see the Bulls in the playoffs.

I've been waiting 14 years to **** them back.
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And besides, **** the Bulls. Yeah, I'm still bitter. I want to see the Bulls in the playoffs.

I've been waiting 14 years to **** them back.
As I want to show the Knicks where they belong, losing to the Bulls.

In my defense heavy lineup it would be designed to run up and down the floor with all guys who move well with Rose Brewer and Deng and Asik and Noah in for putbacks.
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