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Old 06-30-2011, 11:42 AM    (permalink
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Steve Nash is an all-star in name only? wow
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NIP is right about Batum to a degree, because he's pretty ******. Might be the most undeserved "good defender" reputation ever.
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Steve Nash is an all-star in name only? wow
Ya that's just dumb, he is still a top 10 player in the league, no PG has as much affect on their overall offense as he does
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Ya that's just dumb, he is still a top 10 player in the league, no PG has as much affect on their overall offense as he does
My thoughts exactly.
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Ya that's just dumb, he is still a top 10 player in the league, no PG has as much affect on their overall offense as he does
Top 10? I know you're a Suns fan, and I like Nash, but c'mon....

1) Lebron
2) Wade
3) Kevin Durant
4) Dwight Howard
5) Kobe
6) Dirk
7) Derrick Rose
8) Chris Paul

This is already a no-brainer top 8. Then you've got guys like:

9) Pau Gasol
10) Kevin Love
11) Russell Westbrook
12) Blake Griffen
13) Amare Stoudemire
14) Zach Randolph
15) Carmelo Anthony
16) Lamarcus Aldridge

After that I think you can make an honest argument for Nash.
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Top 10? I know you're a Suns fan, and I like Nash, but c'mon....

1) Lebron
2) Wade
3) Kevin Durant
4) Dwight Howard
5) Kobe
6) Dirk
7) Derrick Rose
8) Chris Paul

This is already a no-brainer top 8. Then you've got guys like:

9) Pau Gasol
10) Kevin Love
11) Russell Westbrook
12) Blake Griffen
13) Amare Stoudemire
14) Zach Randolph
15) Carmelo Anthony
16) Lamarcus Aldridge

After that I think you can make an honest argument for Nash.
Throw in Deron Williams as well
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Top 10? I know you're a Suns fan, and I like Nash, but c'mon....

1) Lebron
2) Wade
3) Kevin Durant
4) Dwight Howard
5) Kobe
6) Dirk
7) Derrick Rose
8) Chris Paul

This is already a no-brainer top 8. Then you've got guys like:

9) Pau Gasol
10) Kevin Love
11) Russell Westbrook
12) Blake Griffen
13) Amare Stoudemire
14) Zach Randolph
15) Carmelo Anthony
16) Lamarcus Aldridge

After that I think you can make an honest argument for Nash.
Russell Westbrook and no Deron Williams? Come on now.
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Deron Williams was 17. You're probably right, however.
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Deron is better than every single player 9-16 on that list, and I'd argue him being better than Paul (since he's still not the same Paul) and Rose as well.
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I'm not going that far, but I like Williams.
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I think Love is too high on that list. Rose should be higher too. Rose is top 5 to me.
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1. Lebron
2. Dwight
3. Durant
4. Rose
5. Kobe
6. Wade
7. CP3
8. Dirk
9. Deron
10. Melo

That's my top 10.
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Bah.

1. LeBron
2. Dwight
3. Wade
4. Durant
5. Dirk
6. Kobe
7. Melo
8. Deron
9. Paul
10. Rose
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1. Wade
2. Lebron (Until he proves to me he has some type of sack on the big stage)
3. D12
4. Kobe
5. Rose
6. Dirk
7. Durant
8. Deron
9. CP3
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1. Lebron
2. Wade
3. D12
4. Dirk
5. Rose
6. Durant
7. Kobe
8. Paul
9. Deron
10. Melo

In that order. How do the Heat have the two top players in the game and not win everything?
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Bc Wade isn't a top 2 player...

I like Wade, but you guys are overrating him. What aspect of his game is better than Derrick Rose?

Rose is a younger more athletic version of Wade. Wade needs to develop a consistent jump shot before he can be a top 2 player in this league.
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Omri Casspi & future 1st for JJ Hickson

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6722764

could of had Amare 2 years ago, prob kept LeBron etc, but noooo Hickson was your guy & now you trade him for Omri Casspi

btw my Nash statement was more a figure of speech im sure i wouldn't list him top 10
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??

Wade is one of the most efficient players in the league. He shot 50% from the field last year from the 2 spot. He's a career .485% shooter.

I think Rose is great, but he choked in the playoffs. He needs to prove more to be top 2-3.
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Top 10? I know you're a Suns fan, and I like Nash, but c'mon....

1) Lebron
2) Wade
3) Kevin Durant
4) Dwight Howard
5) Kobe
6) Dirk
7) Derrick Rose
8) Chris Paul

This is already a no-brainer top 8. Then you've got guys like:

9) Pau Gasol
10) Kevin Love
11) Russell Westbrook
12) Blake Griffen
13) Amare Stoudemire
14) Zach Randolph
15) Carmelo Anthony
16) Lamarcus Aldridge

After that I think you can make an honest argument for Nash.


It's confusing that Kevin Love is your 10th best player in the league, but Amare is 13 and Carmelo is 15, as well as the obvious Deron Williams omission. I know your a big Love fan but come on, you can't push a guy that far up on the list because he's a great rebounder.


You would honestly trade one of those guys 11-17 for Kevin Love?
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1. LeBron
2. Dirk
3. Wade
4. Kobe
5. Durant
6. CP3
7. Howard
8. Williams
9. Rose
10. Amare
11. Gasol
12. Melo
13. Nash
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Bc Wade isn't a top 2 player...

I like Wade, but you guys are overrating him. What aspect of his game is better than Derrick Rose?

Rose is a younger more athletic version of Wade. Wade needs to develop a consistent jump shot before he can be a top 2 player in this league.
Wade is a waaaaaaaaaay better defender and more efficient.
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Perhaps I can't see beyond my Timberwolves bias. But I don't think Love actually gets the *ahem* "Love" he deserves because he's on such an awful team. It's not "just rebounds" (as if rebounding isn't a vital aspect of a post players' game), the guy is very efficient from the floor, from behind the arc, and at the free point line. He's a good passer, limits his fouls, and has the athletic versatility to succeed in a number of schemes. His defense is weak, and that's a huge flaw, but I think the rest of his game is top 10 in the league. And he's 22 years old.

I also don't like Amare or Melo. I think Amare is insanely talented, but his basketball IQ is extremely limited. Usually he just stands around and waits for someone to give him the ball and then does a move out of NBA Jam. I think last season was his best ever, and he's done some things to prove that he wasn't a Steve Nash creation, but I'm not convinced he's "great" yet.

I've never liked Melo and don't particularly understand why he's still talked about the way that he is. Denver didn't get much worse last year and New York didn't get much better. I still think New York made a positive trade, but probably only marginally so. If they don't get CP3 I'd bet anything that the Knicks will never be serious contenders with Amare and Melo. I just don't see a dominant player or a leader between the two of them.
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He's not that efficient as far as scoring goes, and he tends to get a ton of bounce backs (that he misses a lot too...). He is also just a terrible, terrible defender.
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I just can't see Love as anything more than a role player on a good team
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