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Old 12-29-2011, 12:39 AM    (permalink
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And it'd be a mistake.
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not saying it wouldnt be, i just think they would do it.
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I'm starting to think trading Tyreke and/or Cousins is the best way the Kings can return to being a playoff team. The only team I can think of that really built through the draft recently is the Thunder and Spurs. Most teams trade the "young promising" playe for th proven star that usually turns the team into a contender.

Trading Tyreke Evans and DeMarcus Cousins could potentially land us players like Dwight Howard, Rudy ***, or Danny Granger. We have a lot of cap room and could easily sign a top F/A next year, which could be appeasing to a star like Dwight Howard. If we send both Cousins and Tyreke to Orlando, we could likely have enough cap room to lock up a player like Deron Williams next year to go along with players we already have like Marcus Thornton, Chuck Hayes, JJ Hickson, Jimmer Fredette, and Jason Thompson. We could even take on a contract from the Magic like Hedo's, who really enjoyed playing in Sacramento earlier in his career.
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I think a Rondo/Westbrook trade would work out well for what both teams should want out of their PG.

Rondo would work better with Durant since he's not a #1 option and would be better passing off to Durant/Harden, and Westbrook could take the team over from those old folks in Boston and be the lone top guy there, as opposed to trying to take the spotlight from Durant all the time.
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Better question is why does anyone care who's team it is? I've never understood why the media and fans are so obsessed with "who's team it is."

I'm pretty sure it has zero impact on them winning games. Based on last year, pretty much everyone got their chance to hit game winning shots. Wade, LeBron, Bosh, Chalmers, Mike Miller (who doesn't have a clutch bone in his body), etc.

This year the Heat look scary good. I mean, I thought they had a deadly fast break attack last year but they are seriously taking it to an entirely different level. Factor in that James has seemingly added a post up presence to his offensive arsenal and it could be a very long year for the NBA.

It kind of sucks. I really wish the Knicks had tried to go after another star to counter the Heat. Tyson Chandler just isn't going to cut it against a team like this.
Ask the Mavs...he may just be able to...He was the glaring hole missing on Sunday when we beat them that badly. However, ur first point is so right on the head. Who the **** cares whose team it is? Who should take the last second shot? I will tell u...the guy with the best look thats who! And this team is good. We know this team can win in December, and January, and March, and February, and April. Good for them. They can go 66 and ******* 0 in the regular season and I could give a **** if we didn't win it all man!
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I'm starting to think trading Tyreke and/or Cousins is the best way the Kings can return to being a playoff team. The only team I can think of that really built through the draft recently is the Thunder and Spurs. Most teams trade the "young promising" playe for th proven star that usually turns the team into a contender.

Trading Tyreke Evans and DeMarcus Cousins could potentially land us players like Dwight Howard, Rudy ***, or Danny Granger. We have a lot of cap room and could easily sign a top F/A next year, which could be appeasing to a star like Dwight Howard. If we send both Cousins and Tyreke to Orlando, we could likely have enough cap room to lock up a player like Deron Williams next year to go along with players we already have like Marcus Thornton, Chuck Hayes, JJ Hickson, Jimmer Fredette, and Jason Thompson. We could even take on a contract from the Magic like Hedo's, who really enjoyed playing in Sacramento earlier in his career.
Um, have you been watching how the team is playing? Cousins is arguably the best player on the roster, and he's showing it. His dominance in the paint is similar to Zach Randolph Seriously, he's so big and strong in the paint, no one can really contain him. He bitched Marcus Camby, one of the best defensive centers in the league, regularly last night when the game was close. The problem with the team is their complete inability to play defense. When Jimmer, Thomas and Evans are in, you can bet your ass they're giving up outlet passes for layups. The rotations are defense are at a middle school level. You set up two screens and three bounce passes on that defense and you're getting an uncontested layup.

I don't disagree that trading Evans is a bad idea (i've been proposing Evans trades all off-season, preferably for a young wing like Rudy Cool), but Cousins is the one building block they NEED to keep. He's a young Z-Bo, with the actual work ethic to go along with the talent. Everyone else on the roster should be attainable, but building a team around Thornton and Cousins is the best way to compete long-term.
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Zairball has good work ethic, dude's a gym rat and you don't get those moves that zach has without practicing them a lot, he's just kinda dumb and so doesn't take a shot unless it's got a really high level of difficulty.
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Baron Davis! But seriously, Chandler was a nice, albeit extremely pricey, pickup, but we're never going to be able to surpass the Heat.
I dunno about that, if we get Baron to play the way he did for Cleveland last year and can stay healthy we can give them a run for their money, especially once we've brought K-mart in for the playoffs and both Jorts and Jordan have had a season to adjust to the NBA and give us some legit big bodies off the bench.
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Calling Camby one of the best defensive centers? Really? He was a great man defender maybe seven years ago, but his skill has been help defense for quite a while and it's easy to take advantage of him now.
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The Suns signed Michael Redd. This move would have been good like 5 years ago.
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so I love Ty Lawson.
top 5 PG.
not really...but kinda.
idk, I love him, he rules.
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so I love Ty Lawson.
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idk, I love him, he rules.
I remember when he was on my team.
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some team needs to draft this guy:

He is much skinnier than Yao was. Yao at least looked like he was decently built, I feel like this guy would get manhandled by some guys in this league. But then again being 7'9" hes going to block a lot of shot...who knows.
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Meh, I just feel like when your 7'9, what's the longevity here? What's the chances he gives you 10 years without any knee, or foot complications whether due to growth issues, or just being so damn tall when things get messy in the middle you can't land right.


Those guys are bound to miss a ton of games, though pretty valuable while on the court obviously.
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Demar Derozan and Stephen Jackson.
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1. Dwayne Wade
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Manu Ginobli
4. Monta Ellis
5. Joe Johnson
6. Eric Grodon
7. Kevin Martin
8. Ray Allen
9. Jet Terry
10. Tyreke Evans

*** Harden will be on this list after this year imo. Also, I am assuming relative health with E-Go and Kevin Martin.
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Iggy is not a 2 guard.
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Meh, I just feel like when your 7'9, what's the longevity here? What's the chances he gives you 10 years without any knee, or foot complications whether due to growth issues, or just being so damn tall when things get messy in the middle you can't land right.
What's with the serious conversation about a video from 15 years ago?
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Oh god, RaiderNation ran into Candleja

Goddamnit, you ****** up the Candlejack thing. He only catches you after you say his na
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