NBA Discussion Thread - Page 2452

MetSox17 · 02-01-2012, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by nobodyinparticular

I was just about to put this very same thing. I would even say he's right up there with Paul Millsap. Cousins probably deserves to be in the All-Star game itself even though he'll probably end up only playing on the sophomore team.

Don't worry NIP, you knows i gots this!

But yeah, sadly, the the fact that he's still relatively an unknown guy, coupled with how bad the Kings are doing this year and no one really cares that the guy is beasting it night in and out. Does he deserve to be an all-star? Absolutely. Will he? Most likely not, cause the carcass of Tim Duncan will probably make it over him.

LonghornsLegend · 02-01-2012, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MetSox17

Just throwing it out there, but DeMarcus Cousins has better numbers than Marc Gasol does on significantly less minutes played. I know the Kings are blowing this year but he should at least get some consideration with how consistently good he has been.

Has it really done him a lot of good since Westphal was fired? I already knew when there was a rift that Cousins was going to win that battle, was hoping Sac wouldn't be so stupid then to trade a young stud that soon. Scary part is he's got a long way o go before he hits his ceiling.

prock · 02-02-2012, 12:27 AM

Wolves sucked tonight, but man we gotta not ever start Darko again. Pek is sooo gosh darn much better.

JETS5128 · 02-02-2012, 12:53 AM

I know there are a couple of Pistons fans out there, and to them I say two words. Thomas Robinson

fenikz · 02-02-2012, 01:37 AM

******* Suns stop winning :(

at least now if we move Nash he will be our franchise leader in assists, I wonder how far he is from points

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Originally Posted by Rob S

I love them both, but there is no way Kyrie and Rubio should be making the ASG this year.

And there no way Nash isn't an all star

14 10 2 on 53% shooting on the least talented team in the league

RaiderNation · 02-02-2012, 02:06 AM

I wish the Kings would trade for a SG/SF, I like our future small guard future with Thornton, Thomas and Freddete. A wing with some size that can play an all around game is what this team needs. If the Kings could somehow get a deal to send a player like Rudy ***, Danny Granger or Joe Johnson.

They could send Tyreke, JJ Hickson and maybe a future draft pick if they get out of the lottery. We could then use our 1st this year(likely in the 5-10 rang) to get a forward like Perry Jones who can play SF/PF and rebound. A lineup like:

PG Isaiah Thomas/Jimmer Freddette
SG Marcus Thorton/Francisco Garcia
SF Rudy ***(Danny Granger)/John Salmons
PF Perry Jones/Jason Thompson
C DeMarcus Cousins/Chuck Hayes

MetSox17 · 02-02-2012, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

Has it really done him a lot of good since Westphal was fired? I already knew when there was a rift that Cousins was going to win that battle, was hoping Sac wouldn't be so stupid then to trade a young stud that soon. Scary part is he's got a long way o go before he hits his ceiling.

It really has, to be honest. For some reason Westphal had like an 11 man rotation (but that's also partly due to Cousins' foul trouble, which he has gotten better at) so Cousins wasn't getting a lot of consistent minutes. His minutes have increased dramatically under Smart, and short of him being in foul trouble and the occasional resting periods you gotta give a big man like him, he's on the floor. No funny business anymore, i think everyone sees now that he's an absolute rebounding machine, and if he gets the ball in the low block there is no way you can stop him unless you foul. He doesn't have the explosiveness that Shaq in his prime did, but he has the same body and just brute force. His post moves are excellent for a guy this young, he really knows how to work his craft and how to maximize the abilities his body gives him.

I'm with you in the fact that he wasn't gonna be moved, i didn't think there was any way we could give up on him so soon, especially over Westphal. Those days before he got fired were just a complete PR nightmare. I don't think there's any doubt that he's taken the 'franchise guy' title away from Tyreke. He's who this team should be built around.

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Originally Posted by RaiderNation

I wish the Kings would trade for a SG/SF, I like our future small guard future with Thornton, Thomas and Freddete. A wing with some size that can play an all around game is what this team needs. If the Kings could somehow get a deal to send a player like Rudy ***, Danny Granger or Joe Johnson.

They could send Tyreke, JJ Hickson and maybe a future draft pick if they get out of the lottery. We could then use our 1st this year(likely in the 5-10 rang) to get a forward like Perry Jones who can play SF/PF and rebound. A lineup like:

PG Isaiah Thomas/Jimmer Freddette
SG Marcus Thorton/Francisco Garcia
SF Rudy ***(Danny Granger)/John Salmons
PF Perry Jones/Jason Thompson
C DeMarcus Cousins/Chuck Hayes

I don't know if you've read much of the thread before, but i've been pushing for Rudy *** for quite some time now. I think he would fit perfectly on this team and it would balance out the talent that we have. If we can get Perry Jones or Harrison Barnes in the draft, i think it kinda defeats the purpose, but whatever. I like when we go small with Thomas at the point, but we can't run out a lineup with Thomas starting every game. He's a great spark plug, but i think that's as far as his talent provides. He needs to work dramatically on his passing on PG skills, but he's dynamite with the ball in his hands.

Hypothetically speaking, i don't think we should trade 'Reke until Jimmer is ready to take on full time point guard duties, and i really don't know when that will be. I just wanna see what this team will perform like with another year of seasoning and a full off-season under their belts. I hope they keep Keith Smart on as HC for at least one more year.

soybean · 02-02-2012, 02:32 AM

Brandon Jennings is like a poorman's Iverson.

Also: I thought this would belong here

MetSox17 · 02-02-2012, 02:33 AM

Brandon Jennings is like a hobo-living-under-the-bridge man's Iverson.

Rob S · 02-02-2012, 09:28 AM

I disagree on Cousins being an all star. His foul is rate is awful and his defense has to be downgraded big time because of that. He is also shooting a terrible percentage for a big man and isn't efficient at all. He is also a massive black hole. His team is one of the 5 worst in the NBA too..... He is having a great year and will probably be in an ASG very soon, but the time isnt now.

Da-Phins · 02-02-2012, 11:20 AM

Rockets choke again! Same ole Rockets.

And oh does anybody want Scola? You can have him. Love the dude attitude and work ethic but dude has been playing some awful basketball here lately.

Brodeur · 02-02-2012, 11:43 AM

All star centers in the West:
Bynum
Gorat
Marc Gasol

None of these people are Cousins.

MetSox17 · 02-02-2012, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob S

I disagree on Cousins being an all star. His foul is rate is awful and his defense has to be downgraded big time because of that. He is also shooting a terrible percentage for a big man and isn't efficient at all. He is also a massive black hole. His team is one of the 5 worst in the NBA too..... He is having a great year and will probably be in an ASG very soon, but the time isnt now.

I hate pulling this card but i guarantee you haven't watched much of him this season if this is your assessment of his play.

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

All star centers in the West:
Bynum
Gorat
Marc Gasol

None of these people are Cousins.

**** you. I'm sure you're still upset about the fact that Cousins is better than Monroe.

Brodeur · 02-02-2012, 01:18 PM

Monroe is better than Cousins. It's not his fault he plays next to either Big Ben, Maxiell, or Jerebko (who I love but isn't really much more than a solid sixth man combo forward) and the guard play is atrocious.

MetSox17 · 02-02-2012, 01:22 PM

Sacramento isn't necessarily full of world-beaters, either.

Rob S · 02-02-2012, 02:58 PM

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I hate pulling this card but i guarantee you haven't watched much of him this season if this is your assessment of his play.

I actually have. Not as much as you I'm sure, but I have him in fantasy, so I watched him a good deal. He absolutely has foul problems and is a black hole. Every time I watch him he takes a large number of terrible fallaway 18 footers.

MetSox17 · 02-02-2012, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob S

I actually have. Not as much as you I'm sure, but I have him in fantasy, so I watched him a good deal. He absolutely has foul problems and is a black hole. Every time I watch him he takes a large number of terrible fallaway 18 footers.

Let me break down the meat of this post as to not assume you're just looking at box scores as far as his usage rates go.

A lot of his missed attempts come from tip-in attempts (hence his league leading offensive rebounding numbers), so naturally his FG% will dip. He has shot extremely better in the last four or five games, and is scoring at a much more efficient rate. He rarely takes jump shots unless it's late in the shotclock (and the Kings "offense" does this extremely often since everyone is just looking to take people off the dribble, forcing guys into bad shooting situations), and so he's forced to put the ball up. The majority of the time he's getting the ball in the low block.

His foul issues stem from two main things, and ironically they're the complete opposite of one another. He gets a lot of fouls because he plays really aggressive help defense. He is Anderson Varejao-like in how many charges he tries to take, and sometimes he doesn't get the calls to go his way. A player of his caliber shouldn't be doing that, there's a reason why the scrappers off the bench do that, because you can't afford to risk getting the blocking foul called. Sometimes he's overly aggressive in his block attempts, and given his huge frame, he'll get a lot of contact and he isn't the superstar yet to get most of the calls his way.

The other reason would be laziness on man to man defense. When he's beaten by a smaller guard on help defense, he'll swipe at the ball, or make a last ditch effort to get a steal, and 80% of those are called against him. He needs to improve his footwork so he doesn't get taken out of position, or where he can trail the ball better without having to make cheap fouls. This is quite a simple thing to improve, and again, under Smart, he has gotten a lot better at this. He has dipped into some heavy minutes recently because he has stayed free of foul trouble.

Where i have to disagree with you and say you're completely wrong is when you say he's a black hole. He definitely isn't a Tyreke Evans black hole where the ball and the offense seems to disappear when it's in his hands. The ball rarely moves through him on offense, and a lot of his scores are due to his own hard work in the paint. His rebounding offensively is off the charts good, and when the ball is down in the low block, what do you expect him to do? He's given the ball in that position to score, so that's what he does. I'm really not sure why you say he's a black hole, i'd really like it if you elaborated further on that point.

D-Unit · 02-02-2012, 04:57 PM

Will the Kings lose to the Trailblazers tonight by more than 4 points?

MetSox17 · 02-02-2012, 05:03 PM

It's tough. Kings play significantly better at home, but they've been ousted by the Blazers once this year already. If you're looking to bet, i'd look for a safer route.

nobodyinparticular · 02-02-2012, 05:12 PM

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Will the Kings lose to the Trailblazers tonight by more than 4 points?

They could lose by 27 and I wouldn't be too surprised...

nobodyinparticular · 02-02-2012, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

All star centers in the West:
Bynum
Gorat
Marc Gasol

None of these people are Cousins.

There is nothing out there that tells me Marc Gasol is a better, more deserving player than Demarcus Cousins.

Brodeur · 02-02-2012, 05:16 PM

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There is nothing out there that tells me Marc Gasol is a better, more deserving player than Demarcus Cousins.

Their points/rebounds numbers are very similar, but Marc Gasol has better percentages, is a WAY better passer, is a better defender, and blocks more shots.

D-Unit · 02-02-2012, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by nobodyinparticular

They could lose by 27 and I wouldn't be too surprised...

Why do you say that?

nobodyinparticular · 02-02-2012, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

Their points/rebounds numbers are very similar, but Marc Gasol has better percentages, is a WAY better passer, is a better defender, and blocks more shots.

In far more minutes played per game, yes. Look at the per 36 numbers

Gasol:
Pts 14.0
Reb 10.0
Stl 1.0
Ast 2.7
Blk 2.1

Cousins:
Pts 18.5
Reb 13.6
Stl 1.4
Ast 1.1
Blk 1.7

Gasol PER: 19.9
Gasol USG: 17.7
Cousins PER: 20.3
Cousins USG: 26.4

Cousins SMOKES Gasol in points and rebounds, and has a slight edge on steals while Gasol has the slight edge on blocks. That leaves only assists in which Gasol has the edge. Cousins has the slightly better PER with the much higher usage percentage which is a feather in Cousins' cap. As you should know, when usage goes up, efficiency generally goes down. That Cousins is able to maintain such a high PER with a usage rate significantly higher than Gasol is big plus.

nobodyinparticular · 02-02-2012, 05:42 PM

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Why do you say that?

The Kings have been absolutely blown out a few times in recent games, most recently at home against Denver.

I am also apprehensive about adding another black hole to the mix with Marcus Thornton coming back tonight. The Kings just have too many players who iso and play the dribble dribble dribble offense. I like Thornton as a player, but I have to say that at some point Petrie has to realize the synergistic nature of basketball. The Salmons move at the time was highly questionable at best, but seeing the fit of these players in action makes it just that much worse because he's another ball dominant player.

Evans has finally begun to get back to creating for the rest of the team, but I'm still concerned about trading the minutes of IT has been getting to give them to Thornton.