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Old 02-21-2012, 12:23 PM    (permalink
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lulz. When people refer to low basketball IQ... this is it ladies and gentlemen. What a moron, lol.
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Just noticed his haircut. That explains A LOT.
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I don't think it's that bad, honestly... when you're in a situation like that, calculating time with the risk/reward of a 3/easy driving 2 isn't exactly a no-brainer. Plus, as a player you really aren't expecting to get a steal right in your hands so you go to the rim (and his momentum would've made a 3 much more difficult than just getting to the rim). Also, that foul could have been called at over 1 second.

It wasn't a good move by any means but I understand it. And it wasn't even close to one of the dumbest plays I've ever seen.
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he thought he was going to be a hero lol
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I mean, if there was 1 or 2 more seconds on the clock he would have been. We are blasting a guy for being 1 second off...
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Maybe he thought they were only down 2????
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Maybe he thought they were only down 2????
Hence the low basketball IQ comment...

There's no way to rationalize that, it was an awful play by someone with zero awareness of what's going on in the game. There was three seconds on the clock and you're down by three, everyone else on the team was looking to stop at the three point line. Dude was trying to be a hero and he didn't even know what the hell was going on.
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and if you're down 1 with 1 or 2 seconds left...what does that give you?
foul on the inbounds, they shoot and you need a long, quick shot with .5 seconds left? or a full court heave if they miss.

you've got a chance to get a pretty damn good look for the tie beyond the arc and he took it in for a stupid, pointless dunk. one of the dumbest plays I've ever seen. by far
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I don't think it's that bad, honestly... when you're in a situation like that, calculating time with the risk/reward of a 3/easy driving 2 isn't exactly a no-brainer. Plus, as a player you really aren't expecting to get a steal right in your hands so you go to the rim (and his momentum would've made a 3 much more difficult than just getting to the rim). Also, that foul could have been called at over 1 second.

It wasn't a good move by any means but I understand it. And it wasn't even close to one of the dumbest plays I've ever seen.
You're arguing for the sake of arguing. He thought he could go almost the length of the floor without much of a running start in 4.5 seconds, while leaving enough time to foul and get another good shot up. To make matters worse we didn't have any timeouts left to advance the ball to the frontcourt after the free throws, so he was basically banking on a full court shot to win it, there is no rationalization that makes that not the dumbest play of the year.
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I hope the trade deadline is interesting this year. Hopefully the Pistons make a trade for the first time in almost 3 years now.
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Any solid veteran pieces they could give away for some quality young pieces?
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3 guys with 20 tonight, none of which were LeBron. 30/10 for Wade, 20/10 for Bosh, 20 for Chalmers with 6 3s. Cousins did poop.
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You're arguing for the sake of arguing. He thought he could go almost the length of the floor without much of a running start in 4.5 seconds, while leaving enough time to foul and get another good shot up. To make matters worse we didn't have any timeouts left to advance the ball to the frontcourt after the free throws, so he was basically banking on a full court shot to win it, there is no rationalization that makes that not the dumbest play of the year.
The 4.5 never entered his mind. The fact that 'a 2 is just as good as a 3 when down 3' was his first instinct - which is why he went like a madman to the rim (the 2 is also MUCH more high % than a pull-up 3 on the right wing from a righty - also, if he misses that low% 3, the game is over - he wanted the gimme layup - which he got - but just misjudged the time by a couple of seconds - in a situation where the last thing you expect is to get the steal and have the opportunity to score so quickly) Doesn't make his actions right, but it's understandable. I've been in that situation before and it's totally understandable. A mistake, but one that I understand in the heat of that moment (a sudden steal).

My argument is not to defend the play. It's just really not THAT boneheaded, and somewhat understandable. I was expecting a lot worse when you guys first mentioned it. TNT did highlights for every game and didn't even mention it...

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That's arguing for the sake of arguing. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence would have known what to do. The rest of his team knew what to do. Rubio, a rookie, automatically knew what to do. Webster has been in the league for a very long time now, there's no excuse for that kind of stupidity.
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Looking at their roster, their veteran pieces kind of suck outside ot Tayshaun Prince.

Nice young core to bulid around with Monroe and Knight being the main pieces. I like Jerebko. Austin Daye needs to continue to improve.

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That's arguing for the sake of arguing. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence would have known what to do. The rest of his team knew what to do. Rubio, a rookie, automatically knew what to do. Webster has been in the league for a very long time now, there's no excuse for that kind of stupidity.
I mean you are telling me what I'm doing when I'm the one doing it. I can assure you I'm not just arguing to argue. I believe what I'm saying.

I think the dumber, less-understandable aspect of that play is actually the awful inbounds pass that was thrown right to him... I have also seen many worse brain farts on the basketball court. Webster was just like 'oh ****, I have the ******* ball omg, I'm just gonna score holy **** how much time was left oh i think it might have been like 5 seconds ok I'm already going toward the hoop let me get the easy 2' - and he makes this instinctive decision in a snap. Then that's over and he looks like an idiot. But if there were two more seconds left (and maybe if they were at home), he'd actually put them in great shape. Yes, he could have been better prepared but he definitely wasn't expecting that gift inbounds pass. This is actually a great coaching opportunity too...

That is the premise of the point I'm trying to get across - I'm not just arguing to argue. I just think his actions were understandable.

But I'll agree to disagree.

EDIT: And as I mentioned above, Inside the NBA last night showed about 4-5 highlights from this very game and didn't even show this. If it really was 'one of the dumbest plays ever on a bball court' I think they would have at least touched on it... Clearly the producers there experienced it closer to 'not that bad' rather than what most of you guys are saying - 'one of the dumbest plays ever'.

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What you're completely missing is the fact that you're supposed to know this **** BEFORE the play starts. You don't sit and dissect at the last second. At the timeout, you know you're supposed to go for the steal because you're down THREE POINTS. That's what coaches do, they tell their players exactly what to do if the ideal scenario comes. Little Martell over here was so excited when he stole the ball that he pissed himself of happiness and forgot what the hell he was supposed to do.

I guaranfuckingtee you that you won't find a single coach in the NBA (or player for that matter) that will tell you to go for the easy two if you're down three points and you steal the ball at mid-court with 3 seconds left.
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What you're completely missing is the fact that you're supposed to know this **** BEFORE the play starts. You don't sit and dissect at the last second. At the timeout, you know you're supposed to go for the steal because you're down THREE POINTS. That's what coaches do, they tell their players exactly what to do if the ideal scenario comes. Little Martell over here was so excited when he stole the ball that he pissed himself of happiness and forgot what the hell he was supposed to do.
I don't disagree with any of this.

I just understand why Webster got excited and why he went for the 2. I also suspect he wasn't prepared, which is a bad job by him. But it's not as boneheaded as, for example, the inbounds pass thrown right to him. I was expecting much worse after reading some posts about the play... the guy essentially made a great steal and reacted in a way that would have been appropriate if there were 2 more seconds on the clock. I agree his clock awareness was poor but I'm not surprised and I understand the mistake.
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I guaranfuckingtee you that you won't find a single coach in the NBA (or player for that matter) that will tell you to go for the easy two if you're down three points and you steal the ball at mid-court with 3 seconds left.
I agree. But there were 4.5 seconds. When is it prudent in that exact situation to get to the rim? At 6.5 seconds? At 8 seconds? Have we timed a half-court layup before? Did the Nuggets clock operator help them at all on either of the stoppages after the steal? Again, this makes it a very good coachable moment and Adleman will likely never allow his player to make a mistake like that again. But it was a clock awareness mistake. Not Leon Lett. Or the Pittsburgh-Butler foul last year.
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I agree. But there were 4.5 seconds. When is it prudent in that exact situation to get to the rim? At 6.5 seconds? At 8 seconds? Have we timed a half-court layup before? Did the Nuggets clock operator help them at all on either of the stoppages after the steal? Again, this makes it a very good coachable moment and Adleman will likely never allow his player to make a mistake like that again. But it was a clock awareness mistake. Not Leon Lett. Or the Pittsburgh-Butler foul last year.
The magnitude of his stupidity is minimized by the fact that it was a regular season game. And that it was 1/66, and not 1/16 like Lett's was. What if it were a playoff game? How would your opinion differ then?
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The magnitude of his stupidity is minimized by the fact that it was a regular season game. And that it was 1/66, and not 1/16 like Lett's was. What if it were a playoff game? How would your opinion differ then?
I'd think it was a clock awareness mistake in a playoff game, which would suck even more. I also think Adleman is partially to blame.

It's his job to prepare his players for something like that and coaches are always adamant about 'we don't need a 3, just get an easy 2 and extend the game'. Based on what Webster did, the message of 'ok NOW we need a three' clearly never resonated with Webster, probably because Adleman didn't get it across well enough. Or maybe he did and Webster just wasn't listenign. Or maybe they went over how they'd get steal and never covered what to do because no one really thought they'd be presented with that gift. Whatever the case, it's a bad job, but now at least they've learned something about that situation. Maybe, 6 seconds or less, down 3, - always take a 3. Maybe there's already a rule - I don't know. I do know that Adleman won't let that mistake happen again.
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