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Old 02-29-2012, 02:49 PM    (permalink
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Bynum, Lowry and Scola for half a season of Dwight Howard.. not even Otis Smith can dream that craziness up.
Well if he went to Lakers he would sign long-term.
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I think he can be the best player, but not the #1 scorer. Theres a difference there.



You think you can win a title with your best player being a fringe all star? Realistically he should probably be the third best player.
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I think he can be the best player, but not the #1 scorer. Theres a difference there.



Starting off in his career Iggy used alot of his athletic abilities more then anything, and here lately he has actually been becoming a more of a basketball player. I love Iggy, and believe that if they get rid of Brand and use the money for a solid big guy they would be in serious contention instead of a maybe 2nd round playoff team.



He isn't a bust per say, its just what he did best at Ohio State (bring the ball up and make plays) he didn't get to his rookie year and this year its starting to happen more and he is doing better. Turner will be a solid player soon, and will not be a bust.
On a championship team? I'm not sure if you're serious here. Iguodala is probably in that 15-30 range of NBA players. If your best guy is in that range, you're NOT winning a championship. Ideally, a guy like Iguodala would be your fringe second/third best player.
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You think you can win a title with your best player being a fringe all star? Realistically he should probably be the third best player.
He is a fringe all-star because he cant shoot outside or a jumpshot consistantly. He does everything else above average, defense rebound assists etc. If he had a jump shot he would be a shoe-in for All-Star games and people wouldnt bring up his contract or anything else.
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He is a fringe all-star because he cant shoot outside or a jumpshot consistantly. He does everything else above average, defense rebound assists etc. If he had a jump shot he would be a shoe-in for All-Star games and people wouldnt bring up his contract or anything else.
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On a championship team? I'm not sure if you're serious here. Iguodala is probably in that 15-30 range of NBA players. If your best guy is in that range, you're NOT winning a championship. Ideally, a guy like Iguodala would be your fringe second/third best player.
Name 15 players that are overall better then Iggy. The only knock on him is he cant shoot outside. Thats it.
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He is a fringe all-star because he cant shoot outside or a jumpshot consistantly. He does everything else above average, defense rebound assists etc. If he had a jump shot he would be a shoe-in for All-Star games and people wouldnt bring up his contract or anything else.

You're saying if he had a better jumper he would be a perennial all star. I don't disagree. But he doesn't so what does that change? You don't win with guys who do everything well but nothing great as your #1 guy (I know he plays great defense but you need more than that from your best player.)
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Thats cute, she may be your uncle.

Face it, your best player doesnt have to be your #1 scorer. Every NBA Championship Team has to have a few things:

Defensive big man
Volume scorer
Solid Bench
Above-average perimeter defender.
PG doesn't try to take over the game

I could argue with a team of

C- Tyson Chandler
PF- Luis Scola
SF- Andre Iguodala
SG- Monta Ellis
PG- Jrue Holiday

and Phillys bench you could contend for a title. Because 3/5 can play sound defense, they have a 25+ PPG scorer, DPOTY candidate in Iggy and Tyson, low post scorer.

Who would be the best player?
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Name 15 players that are overall better then Iggy. The only knock on him is he cant shoot outside. Thats it.
1. Lebron
2. KD
3. Dwight
4. Rose
5. Wade
6. Blake
7. Kobe
8. Dirk
9. Paul
10. DWill
11. Pau
12. Russ
13. Rondo
14. KLove
15. Aldridge
16. Melo
17. Amar'e
18. Monta
19. Rudy Cool
20. Bosh

There's twenty.
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Bynum, Lowry and Scola for half a season of Dwight Howard.. not even Otis Smith can dream that craziness up.
He would certainly sign an extension with the Lakers.
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Thats cute, she may be your uncle.

Face it, your best player doesnt have to be your #1 scorer. Every NBA Championship Team has to have a few things:

Defensive big man
Volume scorer
Solid Bench
Above-average perimeter defender.
PG doesn't try to take over the game

I could argue with a team of

C- Tyson Chandler
PF- Luis Scola
SF- Andre Iguodala
SG- Monta Ellis
PG- Jrue Holiday

and Phillys bench you could contend for a title. Because 3/5 can play sound defense, they have a 25+ PPG scorer, DPOTY candidate in Iggy and Tyson, low post scorer.

Who would be the best player?
I really wonder if you're trolling, or just started watching basketball like two years ago. I'd love to see that team go up against the Heat or the Thunder. They'd get swept.
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Thats cute, she may be your uncle.

Face it, your best player doesnt have to be your #1 scorer. Every NBA Championship Team has to have a few things:

Defensive big man
Volume scorer
Solid Bench
Above-average perimeter defender.
PG doesn't try to take over the game

I could argue with a team of

C- Tyson Chandler
PF- Luis Scola
SF- Andre Iguodala
SG- Monta Ellis
PG- Jrue Holiday

and Phillys bench you could contend for a title. Because 3/5 can play sound defense, they have a 25+ PPG scorer, DPOTY candidate in Iggy and Tyson, low post scorer.

Who would be the best player?
If your number one scorer isn't as good as Iggy then your number one scorer isn't good enough to be the number one scorer on a championship team. I've been one of the biggest Iggy fans on here for a while but there is absolutely no way you're winning a title if he's your best player. And I'd take Monta over him by the way.
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Also, it's hilarious to consider Tyson Chandler a low post scorer. All he does is dunk, and the only way he can dunk is if you put the ball two feet from the basket for him.
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1. Lebron
2. KD
3. Dwight
4. Rose
5. Wade
6. Blake
7. Kobe
8. Dirk
9. Paul
10. DWill
11. Pau
12. Russ
13. Rondo
14. KLove
15. Aldridge
16. Melo
17. Amar'e
18. Monta
19. Rudy Cool
20. Bosh

There's twenty.
And 7 of them have major defects to their games.

Russ- Tries to take over games, as a PG has the same amount of APG as Iggy, yet he has KD on his team, along with other solid shooters.

Rondo- He shoots worse the Iggy.

Melo- No defense whatsoever. He is below average

Amare- Injuries,defensive liablity, and outside of the paint cant shoot either (but he tries)

Monta- Only thing he can do is scorer and get steals. Suspect defense, turns the ball over a lot (even though Marc brought in a slower game, he turns the ball over even more) and has a me-first attitude

Rudy Cool- Doesnt score much more then Iggy, defense isn't as strong, not as good of a passer. He can shoot a better 3 though.

Chris Bosh- Maybe its the being the third person, but has always been a under average defender, misses games because minor things, but is near Top 15.


But like I said, maybe I see guys different but I value overall players more then guys who is amazing at one or two things.
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Also, it's hilarious to consider Tyson Chandler a low post scorer. All he does is dunk, and the only way he can dunk is if you put the ball two feet from the basket for him.
Who said Tyson is the low post scorer? Thats why Scola is there...
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And 7 of them have major defects to their games.

Russ- Tries to take over games, as a PG has the same amount of APG as Iggy, yet he has KD on his team, along with other solid shooters.

Rondo- He shoots worse the Iggy.

Melo- No defense whatsoever. He is below average

Amare- Injuries,defensive liablity, and outside of the paint cant shoot either (but he tries)

Monta- Only thing he can do is scorer and get steals. Suspect defense, turns the ball over a lot (even though Marc brought in a slower game, he turns the ball over even more) and has a me-first attitude

Rudy Cool- Doesnt score much more then Iggy, defense isn't as strong, not as good of a passer. He can shoot a better 3 though.

Chris Bosh- Maybe its the being the third person, but has always been a under average defender, misses games because minor things, but is near Top 15.


But like I said, maybe I see guys different but I value overall players more then guys who is amazing at one or two things.

Did you just say Melo is below average? Troll confirmed.
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Did you just say Melo is below average? Troll confirmed.
I was talking about defense....
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Yeah, i'm done. I'm just really curious where he'd place Iguodala on the list. Well, at least who he'd put him ahead of.
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Yeah, i'm done. I'm just really curious where he'd place Iguodala on the list. Well, at least who he'd put him ahead of.
About 15th.
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He would certainly sign an extension with the Lakers.
I believe his agent already said he wouldn't. It's a forgone conclusion he wants to play with Deron in Dallas.

Looks like Orlando's best bet is to tank a season and grab a high lottery in 2013.
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lulzz. ahead of who?
I just bolded the guys I said were suspect. Id take a guy who has one average trait and above average everything else then a guy who has elite one talent and below other overage talents.

But I am different, no doubt about it. I told you a team that I believe could contend for a title. Chandler defend, Scola score, Iggy do it all, Monta score, Jrue defense and pass. I am a believer in roles for players ever since I started watching and I became a 76er fan.
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I believe his agent already said he wouldn't. It's a forgone conclusion he wants to play with Deron in Dallas.

Looks like Orlando's best bet is to tank a season and grab a high lottery in 2013.
Or trade Howard first, grab some young awesome assets, then tank.
But wherever he goes itll be a team he wants to go to.
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I just bolded the guys I said were suspect. Id take a guy who has one average trait and above average everything else then a guy who has elite one talent and below other overage talents.

But I am different, no doubt about it. I told you a team that I believe could contend for a title. Chandler defend, Scola score, Iggy do it all, Monta score, Jrue defense and pass. I am a believer in roles for players ever since I started watching and I became a 76er fan.
Explains so much. Out of curiosity, when did you start watching?

Also, just confirming, but you'd take Andre Iguodala ahead of Russell Westbrook, Amar'e Stoudemire, Carmelo Anthony, Monta Ellis, Rajon Rondo, Chris Bosh and Rudy ***..
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Or trade Howard first, grab some young awesome assets, then tank.
But wherever he goes itll be a team he wants to go to.
He won't sign an extension anywhere except possibly NJ.

No one is going to trade for Dwight for 6 weeks and try to convince him to stay. That's a sucker's move.
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