NBA Discussion Thread - Page 2516

draftguru151 · 02-29-2012, 02:21 PM

The thing with having guys fill rolls, at least one of those rolls needs to be superstar or you're not going to win a title.

MetSox17 · 02-29-2012, 02:23 PM

I tried explaining this to stickwithit (who can s my d after Dwight finishes out the year in Orlando and leaves for nothing) and he wasn't having it. The Magic's best bet was to trade Dwight in the off-season, unless they felt they had a shot to re-sign him. Now they have ZERO leverage, Dwight has one foot out the door and they're sitting at home with their thumbs up their asses because they're about to lose the best center in the NBA in free agency for the second time.

zachsaints52 · 02-29-2012, 02:25 PM

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Explains so much. Out of curiosity, when did you start watching?

When I was 11 watching the 76ers. You could just see the roles of the players.

A.I.- Volume scorer who takes chances at steals and all because of..
Dikembe- DPOTY...low post defender
Theo Ratliff- low post scorer type guy, was a solid defender too though.
Eric Snow- PG with defender and passing abilities
Aaron McKie- 6th man of the year (started some games though), him with Tyrone Hill, Kukoc, Gieger gave a bench presence.

Looking at teams overall who win championships though. Your PG passes, you have a above average defensive big man, volume scorer, and solid bench.

M.O.T.H. · 02-29-2012, 02:25 PM

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I believe his agent already said he wouldn't. It's a forgone conclusion he wants to play with Deron in Dallas.

Looks like Orlando's best bet is to tank a season and grab a high lottery in 2013.

That's BS. He def. would.

If he gets away for nothing...I'll be pissed. They have no interest in Lopez, but I'd still take him, Marshon Brooks, and the two firsts, over nothing.

And the Warriors are very interested, despite the fact that he wont re-sign there. That'd net you Monta and Ekpe, at least. And potentially considerably more, because they'd be looking to unload some contracts on Orlando.

fenikz · 02-29-2012, 02:27 PM

Gortat and Dudley go!

Suns could afford two max contracts after amnestying Childress

zachsaints52 · 02-29-2012, 02:28 PM

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That's BS. He def. would.

If he gets away for nothing...I'll be pissed. They have no interest in Lopez, but I'd still take him, Marshon Brooks, and the two firsts, over nothing.

And the Warriors are very interested, despite the fact that he wont re-sign there. That'd net you Monta and Ekpe, at least. And potentially considerably more, because they'd be looking to unload some contracts on Orlando.

Well its said either Davis or Hedo has to go with Dwight. Doubt theyd unload contract on Magic.

MetSox17 · 02-29-2012, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by zachsaints52

When I was 11 watching the 76ers. You could just see the roles of the players.

A.I.- Volume scorer who takes chances at steals and all because of..
Dikembe- DPOTY...low post defender
Theo Ratliff- low post scorer type guy, was a solid defender too though.
Eric Snow- PG with defender and passing abilities
Aaron McKie- 6th man of the year (started some games though), him with Tyrone Hill, Kukoc, Gieger gave a bench presence.

Looking at teams overall who win championships though. Your PG passes, you have a above average defensive big man, volume scorer, and solid bench.

AI was the MVP of the league when they went to the finals (and got butt raped by the Lakers).

Seriously, go look back at every team that has won a championship the last two, three decades. They all have at least one bonafide superstar. That team you made full of role players would get ravaged every single year in the playoffs by a team with one or two really good players. They'd be like the current Hawks.

zachsaints52 · 02-29-2012, 02:31 PM

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AI was the MVP of the league when they went to the finals (and got butt raped by the Lakers).

Seriously, go look back at every team that has won a championship the last two, three decades. They all have at least one bonafide superstar. That team you made full of role players would get ravaged every single year in the playoffs by a team with one or two really good players. They'd be like the current Hawks.

Who was the superstar of the Pistons? The reason the superstar is always there is because he also has a lot of talent around him. Teams who get a superstar usually have the best teams (its why small market teams never get to keep their players, except OKC now)

MetSox17 · 02-29-2012, 02:31 PM

The only team in the last twenty years that won that could say they didn't have a franchise type superstar would be the '04 Pistons, but they had an elite defensive team, full of top 30 guys and a huge bench.

And btw, that's the absolute only exception. Not valid to be used in a counterargument.

zachsaints52 · 02-29-2012, 02:32 PM

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The only team in the last twenty years that won that could say they didn't have a franchise type superstar would be the '04 Pistons, but they had an elite defensive team, full of top 30 guys and a huge bench.

Wouldnt that describe the team I just laid out for you?

bantx · 02-29-2012, 02:32 PM

It's looking more likely that yall will lose him for nothing. Like people said earlier no one is going to want to have him for 6 weeks and try to convince him to stay. But hey we'll have 15 days to see what happens.

yo123 · 02-29-2012, 02:33 PM

I suppose I'll get sucked into this one more time. I can see arguments for Bosh, Monta and Amare at this stage in his career so I'll leave those alone. The other ones are ridiculous.

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Rudy Cool- Doesnt score much more then Iggy, defense isn't as strong, not as good of a passer. He can shoot a better 3 though.

He averages a full 7 points more on better percentages. I don't know how that doesn't make him a much better scorer. Iggy is a better defender but *** is very good in his own right and the difference isn't enough to make up for the offensive differences

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Melo- No defense whatsoever. He is below average

Melo plays defense in big games, he just loses interest during the regular season. He's also a top 5 pure scorer in the NBA.

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Rondo- He shoots worse the Iggy.

The guy doesn't have a great jumper but he makes up for it by getting to the basket and finishing. He's only shot below 47% once in his career (rookie year) and is the second best distributor in the NBA.

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Russ- Tries to take over games, as a PG has the same amount of APG as Iggy, yet he has KD on his team, along with other solid shooters.

Similar numbers across the board other than destroying him as a scorer, and Westbrook is a very good defender as well, lessening the gap on the only thing Igoudala is better than him at.

MetSox17 · 02-29-2012, 02:33 PM

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Wouldnt that describe the team I just laid out for you?

Ugh, how ******* hard is it to understand that that is ONE team in ******* TWENTY+ GOD DAMN YEARS THAT DID IT. Go away already, this has gotten more annoying than i imagined.

Wootylicous · 02-29-2012, 02:33 PM

2004 pistons ?

damnit everyone beat me to it

yo123 · 02-29-2012, 02:34 PM

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Wouldnt that describe the team I just laid out for you?

The '04 Pistons won in a year with probably 10% of the competition that there is this year.

So if you mean that every 30 years a team like that would stand a chance in a diluted league then I'd be inclined to agree with you.

M.O.T.H. · 02-29-2012, 02:37 PM

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Well its said either Davis or Hedo has to go with Dwight. Doubt theyd unload contract on Magic.

They'd have to, to make money work anyway. They'd rid themselves of Monta's big deal. Maybe even throw in Lee, who they're always looking to move. Not so sure Orlando wants to touch that contract, but it's worth a shot. It would probably have to involve at least 3 teams. But they're really interested and they'd still be clearing a substanstial amount of cap space, in a any scenario, even if they have to take on Turk's.

They just wouldnt be getting great value back at all...but they seem intent on gambingly on Howard and giving away high priced quality players to do so.

yo123 · 02-29-2012, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by zachsaints52

When I was 11 watching the 76ers. You could just see the roles of the players.

A.I.- Volume scorer who takes chances at steals and all because of..
Dikembe- DPOTY...low post defender
Theo Ratliff- low post scorer type guy, was a solid defender too though.
Eric Snow- PG with defender and passing abilities
Aaron McKie- 6th man of the year (started some games though), him with Tyrone Hill, Kukoc, Gieger gave a bench presence.

Looking at teams overall who win championships though. Your PG passes, you have a above average defensive big man, volume scorer, and solid bench.

Theo Ratliff was a low post scorer? Jesus christ.....

zachsaints52 · 02-29-2012, 02:39 PM

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Ugh, how ******* hard is it to understand that that is ONE team in ******* TWENTY+ GOD DAMN YEARS THAT DID IT. Go away already, this has gotten more annoying than i imagined.

I dont even see why you hating, this has been a debate. I understand the other side of the arguement fully.

Besides 1 team in 20 years doesnt mean it couldnt happen again. I dont know another team that had what the Pistons had.

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The '04 Pistons won in a year with probably 10% of the competition that there is this year.

So if you mean that every 30 years a team like that would stand a chance in a diluted league then I'd be inclined to agree with you.

Very true. I can agree to that atleast. The disparity in the league now is wideining.

Brodeur · 02-29-2012, 02:39 PM

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The '04 Pistons won in a year with probably 10% of the competition that there is this year.

So if you mean that every 30 years a team like that would stand a chance in a diluted league then I'd be inclined to agree with you.

Oh shut up Kyle. The Pistons beat down a damn good Lakers team.

Wootylicous · 02-29-2012, 02:40 PM

76ers looked to move Ratliff for a low post scorer he wasnt one.

MetSox17 · 02-29-2012, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by zachsaints52

I dont even see why you hating, this has been a debate. I understand the other side of the arguement fully.

Besides 1 team in 20 years doesnt mean it couldnt happen again. I dont know another team that had what the Pistons had.
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More like thirty years.

zachsaints52 · 02-29-2012, 02:41 PM

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Theo Ratliff was a low post scorer? Jesus christ.....

Averaged .499 FG% that year. Was going by % because I dont remember him much. I remember his Hawks years though.

zachsaints52 · 02-29-2012, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MetSox17

Ugh, how ******* hard is it to understand that that is ONE team in ******* TWENTY+ GOD DAMN YEARS THAT DID IT. Go away already, this has gotten more annoying than i imagined.

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More like thirty years.

Shoulda said 30 then instead of 20 :)

I love that part of the movie though.