NBA Discussion Thread

[yo123]

Originally Posted by Brodeur

Harden is worse than 95 percent of the league, and you're blind if you say otherwise. He's edging closer to Chris Paul and Blake Griffin territory.

I blame that more on the officiating and the NBA's refusal to do anything to stop it than the players themselves.

[sbh15]

Kevin Durant is 23.... holy ****

[Brodeur]

Originally Posted by yo123

I blame that more on the officiating and the NBA's refusal to do anything to stop it than the players themselves.

Meh, Harden's still an annoying pissant.

[soybean]

Originally Posted by yo123

I still don't know how you could possibly dislike anyone on the team other than Perkins and Westbrook, but whatever.

Durant is the most likeable superstar the league has seen in a lonnnngg time.

Derrick Rose has him beat. And I dislike rose.

[Brodeur]

Originally Posted by yo123

I still don't know how you could possibly dislike anyone on the team other than Perkins and Westbrook, but whatever.

Durant is the most likeable superstar the league has seen in a lonnnngg time.

[Ravens1991]

Originally Posted by SeanTaylorRIP

Washington is a major play with the 23 mil expiring of Rashard and the fact that cap room isn't as important because it's not likely they will sign a big money FA any time soon.

Who do you think the wizards would go after at #10 if that trade goes down

[nepg]

Hopefully the C's don't blow it and can get to play the Thunder...

In that event, the Thunder won both regular season meetings, but those two games were also in the midst of the Celtics sucking pure ass. I think the Thunder are pretty much the same team they've been all year whereas the C's are much different since the beginning of March and even since the playoffs started.

[yo123]

Originally Posted by Brodeur

Love Nash. Maybe I should have said AS likeable as any superstar in a long time. There is just no reason to dislike him.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Durant is a much more likable star than Rose as nice and quiet as Rose is because KD actually has a personality, nothing basketball related but I would flip the channel if I saw a Rose interview.

[Brodeur]

Originally Posted by yo123

Love Nash. Maybe I should have said AS likeable as any superstar in a long time. There is just no reason to dislike him.

Yes, but Nash is easily the most likeble player maybe ever. ******* awesome guy and hilarious to boot.

[sbh15]

Kevin Durant is twenty-*******-three. I still cannot get over how good he already is. three time scoring champ and I'll predict a Finals MVP in his very near future

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Originally Posted by Ravens1991

Who do you think the wizards would go after at #10 if that trade goes down

Jeremy Lamb if they draft MKG, if they drafted Beal, Sullinger, Terrence Ross, and Waiters would all be targets.

[yo123]

Originally Posted by sbh15

Kevin Durant is twenty-*******-three. I still cannot get over how good he already is. three time scoring champ and I'll predict a Finals MVP in his very near future

Westbrook is 23 as well and Harden and Ibaka are 22. There isn't a team in the west even close to as set up for the future as they are. Could be the start of a dynasty.

[Docta]

Originally Posted by SeanTaylorRIP

Durant is a much more likable star than Rose as nice and quiet as Rose is because KD actually has a personality, nothing basketball related but I would flip the channel if I saw a Rose interview.

A Durant interview wouldn't be any more fun than a Rose interview would. Durant would just be dressed up.

I'd say it's Nash, just because of how loyal he's been for all these ****** teams.

[wogitalia]

The only problem with Nash is those MVPs, if he didn't undeservingly have those there would be quite literally no reason to hate on him.

Durant plays for the Thunder, which is one of the worst franchises someone could play for. The whole Seattle mess still does not sit well with me and puts the Thunder right alongside the Knicks as the least likeable franchise. Nothing personal about Durant, I just want to see his team fail.

Also... epic choke by SA is epic. That's the kind of choke job that will be exclamation on the end of the Duncan dynasty. Sad way to go out.

[soybean]

Rose is also like able cause he gets demolished by defenders every time he drives and NEVER complains during the game.

Durante COULD be disliked cause a lot of players and league perception is that he gets preferential treatment a lot.

[fenikz]

Originally Posted by Brodeur

Ya it confused the **** out of me when I found out that some people don't like Nash

and can you really say that Nash didn't deserve a MVP watching everyone that has left Phoenix just flat out suck elsewhere?

[RufusMcDaniel]

Originally Posted by fenikz

and can you really say that Nash didn't deserve a MVP watching everyone that has left Phoenix just flat out suck elsewhere?

I know that this has nothing to do with his MVPs as well, but the dude got Canada to actually be competitive in Basketball for a bit.

Also, how many other players are also the GM for their countries' National Basketball Team?

That man is a God.

[Raiderz4Life]

I refuse to believe people can actually say they dislike Nash.

[bantx]

I was so upset that Nash left :\ then devin harris.

[wogitalia]

Originally Posted by fenikz

Ya it confused the **** out of me when I found out that some people don't like Nash

and can you really say that Nash didn't deserve a MVP watching everyone that has left Phoenix just flat out suck elsewhere?

Nash didn't deserve them because he wasn't the most valuable under just about any reasonable definition.

Plus... it's not like his teammates have sucked elsewhere.

Stoudemire has been fine especially before he had the human blackhole and especially considering his knees are getting to be Penny Hardaway level bad.

Johnson is better than he ever was in Phoenix.

Marion is old now and didn't improve or decline any more than one would expect when his age is considered with or without Nash.

Nowitzki and the Mavs in general got better after he left.

Both Jason and Quentin Richardson declined by just about any measure the year they joined Nash.

I just don't buy that arguement at all. Not to mention that none of it takes into account that Nash is one of the worst and, more damningly, laziest defenders the game has ever seen. Nash was the leader of that team, he was the one who set the "No defense" tone that lead to them being repeatedly beaten in the playoffs when it mattered (I know this doesn't directly relate to the MVP voting but the general underlying principle does).

Now I respect Nash as a player and person, I even quite like him. But those couple of years when he got vastly overrated by the media for being a good PG in an awful era really rubbed me the wrong way. That's not Nash's fault, he was just doing what a good PG should do but it still tarnishes his career in my mind and makes me like him far less than I would without them and that period.

I also really dislike the media sentiment that he should demand a trade or has some right to play for a contender. This is a guy whose efforts on defense were a major reason that he hasn't won a title, this is a guy who mailed in half the game, if he deserved a title he'd have earned it the way that most players do. Again... it's not his fault but it still makes me find him harder to like.

I also totally understand how people love him. His all out attack and complete disregard for defense is symbolic of a change in the game that saw it take a step out of what was becoming a defensive "bore". He spearheaded the teamwork movement where the game had several teams stop being isolation snoozefest based. He was a good guy in an era of dicks. He was white. He always seemed to be having fun. He didn't seem to care too much about winning/losing and was more interested in things looking good. He was fun as hell to watch in an era where PG play was woeful and he was a genuinely nice guy.

So yeah... whilst I like Nash, I don't love him and I don't find him close to the most likeable star of recent times because of how the media built him up. Give me a Duncan, Garnett, Shaq, Pierce or Bryant over him for different reasons. Hell before the whole LeBron thing, I'd have taken Wade. Durant certainly gets it. Rose also. Chris Paul. Going back further, Penny, Grant Hill, Jordan, Larry Johnson (arguable he got to superstar), Robinson or Olajuwon.

Nash is basically the Brett Favre of the NBA (pre sex scandal). He does stuff that plenty of others do just as well, the media builds him up and overhypes him, downplays his massive flaws, will defend him to death. Really if you take out the whole defense/turnovers thing his on court/field is great, it's just the media hype train that makes him hard to like for many people.

[fenikz]

ya you've never seen Nash play if you don't think he tries on defense, he may suck at it, but he certainly has always tried

And no player has ever been as good at passing as steve nash

Phoenix also has never gotten media coverage so unless he is superstar down under no clue wtf you're talking about

now gtfo

[Brodeur]

We're talking about likability. Favre is an egotistical asshole, Duncan is a great team leader but tends to complain a lot, KG is a huge douchebag, Shaq is a malcontent that can't stay with a team (or was), Pierce has the wheelchair incident and has always been douchey, and Kobe is a rapist asshole. Wade got the benefit of the most calls ever in a series, Durant whatever, Rose has the charisma of a doorknob, Chris Paul is a massive flopper and also a douche, Penny is an ass, Grant Hill I love but was hurt too often, MJ is the biggest asshole of all time, Larry Johnson was not a superstar, and the latter two are fine but not Nash likable.

We aren't talking about how good they are, just likable.

[Bulldogs]

Go to sleep Brodeur it's 3 AM.

[Raiderz4Life]

Originally Posted by fenikz

ya you've never seen Nash play if you don't think he tries on defense, he may suck at it, but he certainly has always tried

And no player has ever been as good at passing as steve nash

Phoenix also has never gotten media coverage so unless he is superstar down under no clue wtf you're talking about

now gtfo

Yea I was going to point out that as well, Nash may be poor on D but its not because he's lazy. Idk wtf wogi is watching.

His passing is an art form and his shooting is very good.

Also go to bed Brody.