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Old 09-26-2012, 10:23 PM    (permalink
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Dudes, stop feeding jballa.
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I threw him in there to make the list a little longer.

1. MJ
2. Kobe
3. Jerry West
4. John Havlicek
5. Oscar Robertson
Big O was a PG.

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Pistol Pete changed the game, man. He gets bonus points from that.

AI's elite defensive team means that he has to carry the offense, so calling him an ineffective chucker when he had Snow, McKie, Mutumbo and Ratliff and none of those guys can score is a bad argument, because he was the most efficient of the group. He was a warrior and he carried that team.

Ray Allen's starting 5 on the 2004-2005 Northwest Division champions was:

Ridnour, Allen, Lewis, Reggie Evans, and Jerome James. He carried that team night in and night out.

Reggie is still better than Wade. More clutch, could score better and in more ways, and was a better on ball defender, where Wade is better off the ball.
Never did I call AI an ineffective chucker, nice strawman. And who gives a ****, George Mikan changed the game but he wasn't better than Shaq. Again, Reggie/Allen were never at any point elite players.
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As for the PF debate I've always loved Aldridge but I think Love past him last year. Love put up bigger numbers on what I would argue is a better team when everyone is healthy, and destroyed Aldridge head to head and that has to count for something.
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If we're going to view Havlicek as a SG the first 4 are perfectly fair. I always viewed him as a SF though.

Oscar was a PG though, c'mon.
He's one of those guys that you can list on any of three positions. Same with Lebron. Played a lot of his early career as a SG. Should he be on the list now that he's settled in at SF?
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Yeah i'm glad there's discussion going on again. yay discussion
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Old 09-26-2012, 10:26 PM    (permalink
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He's one of those guys that you can list on any of three positions. Same with Lebron. Played a lot of his early career as a SG. Should he be on the list now that he's settled in at SF?
No Lebron would be a SF. I'd list guys where they played the majority of their careers/were the most effective at.
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What about we compare Gortat and Bynum again? That was fun.
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He's one of those guys that you can list on any of three positions. Same with Lebron. Played a lot of his early career as a SG. Should he be on the list now that he's settled in at SF?
LeBron's played like 80 games as a SG.
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LeBron's played like 80 games as a SG.
Yeah, i'm sure it's been plenty more than that, but whatever.
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My top 5 Sg's would be.

MJ
Kobe
Jerry West
Earl Monroe
Reggie/Clyde Drexler
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Yeah, i'm sure it's been plenty more than that, but whatever.
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I just can't understand why everyone is putting Reggie so high. Great player but what did he do better than Wade other than shoot? He never won a championship (played on some pretty damn good teams) and his career numbers are lower across the board than Wade other than 3 point shooting. Didn't offer much as a playmaker or rebounder which Wade has always been great at for his position.
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He is the best shooter of all time, so he's at least got that down. Pretty huge advantage on some things.
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He is the best shooter of all time, so he's at least got that down. Pretty huge advantage on some things.
Ray Allen might have an argument but fair enough. We're talking about overall players though not just shooters.
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I don't understand how I am the only one to mention Earl "The Pearl" Monroe aka Black Jesus in this conversation.
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great defender, best shooter ever, as clutch possible. Id put him in my top 5
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What about we compare Gortat and Bynum again? That was fun.
I guess you can if you wanna, hes a 6er now so I dont have to think of the hideous idea of Gortwat being a Laker.

Bynum is still better lol. I feel like his numbers are gonna skyrocket this year.
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Ray Allen might have an argument but fair enough. We're talking about overall players though not just shooters.
He's no slouch on the defensive end. I got to see a ton of sonic games back in the day and he was a ******* beast when he was in Seattle. People tend to forget that he wasted his prime over there.
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Bynum is still better lol.

Bynum being better was never the argument. He was always better.
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He's no slouch on the defensive end. I got to see a ton of sonic games back in the day and he was a ******* beast when he was in Seattle. People tend to forget that he wasted his prime over there.
Absolutely, as recently as a few years ago Ray was a very solid defender. There was still a reason you never saw his Sonics/Bucks teams in the finals though. He was never cut out to be a go to player on a championship team, something that Wade proved that he was.
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I guess you can if you wanna, hes a 6er now so I dont have to think of the hideous idea of Gortwat being a Laker.

Bynum is still better lol. I feel like his numbers are gonna skyrocket this year.


THAT WASN"T THE ******* ARGUMENT.
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Absolutely, as recently as a few years ago Ray was a very solid defender. There was still a reason you never saw his Sonics/Bucks teams in the finals though. He was never cut out to be a go to player on a championship team, something that Wade proved that he was.
What the hell are you talking about?

Ray Allen's starting 5 on the 2004-2005 52-30 Division Champion Sonics was Luke Ridnour, Allen, Rashard Lewis, Reggie Evans and Jerome James. That team won 52 games!!!! They went to 6 games with the eventual champion San Antonio Spurs. You're right though, he couldn't carry a team to success.
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What the hell are you talking about?

Ray Allen's starting 5 on the 2004-2005 52-30 Division Champion Sonics was Luke Ridnour, Allen, Rashard Lewis, Reggie Evans and Jerome James. That team won 52 games!!!! They went to 6 games with the eventual champion San Antonio Spurs. You're right though, he couldn't carry a team to success.
Did you read what I said? I said championship team. Where did you prove me wrong there?

I never said he couldn't carry a team to success, that's a ridiculous strawman. I said he couldn't carry a team to a title.

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