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Old 06-04-2013, 11:15 AM    (permalink
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Speaking of which, if the Heat lose (I don't expect them to, I think Heat win in 6), I don't want to hear the Dwayne Wade excuse.

Bc during their streak when everyone was slobbing their knob, Wade was injured then too. So it's not like this is some new found issue that they can't play around. They've been playing with a hobbled Wade pretty much all season anyway. Not an excuse.

Bosh just needs to tuck in his ***** and play better and they'll be fine.
Wade was actually the healthiest he's been the last three years during the streak. He re-injured himself towards the end of the streak. With that said, I agree that it shouldn't be an excuse. San Antonio is really good, but if Bosh plays well the Heat should win.
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You can make an argument that the Pacers play better without Granger.
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Granger could have made a difference if he were to play within the system.

Meaning, get the ball inside to Hibbert or West and then get open on the perimeter.

But he would have just tried to create for himself.
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Granger is a good defender and three point shooter. He was overrated for a few years when he was putting up 25 a game, but no one sees him as that anymore and he's not as average as y'all seem to think he is.

He might not have made a difference, but having him taking those open threes over Lance Stephenson or ******* Sam Young wouldn't have hurt.
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I actually hate the Spurs. Timmy D is the WORST of pretty much anyone when it comes to whining about the officials.
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As a Mavs fan I innately hate the Spurs. But as an NBA fan I hate Dwayne Wade. Worst possible finals for me.
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Haha. I hope the Heat win. It's become quite fun to watch all the LeBron haters squirm and try to make up excuses as to why he's REALLY not elite like MJ or something.
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Haha. I hope the Heat win. It's become quite fun to watch all the LeBron haters squirm and try to make up excuses as to why he's REALLY not elite like MJ or something.
I can't wait until he wins 6 rings and has, like, 8 mvps and is clearly the superior player and people are still scrambling for idiotic excuses left and right.
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It's going to be interesting to see how many MVPs LBJ gets when it is all said and done. He could win it every year unless the media tires of him.
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A lot of people don't realize how annoying Spurs fans are with their "no one respects us" mentality.

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I can't wait until he wins 6 rings and has, like, 8 mvps and is clearly the superior player and people are still scrambling for idiotic excuses left and right.
BUT HE HAD A HOBBLED WADE AND CHRIS "I can't rebound" BOSH! CLEARLY SUPERIOR TO WHAT JORDAN HAD!

I don't think people realize how much help Jordan had, and how he ALSO struggled before getting that help. It's amazing how much winning/time has covered up a lot of his faults.

I'm sure it will for LeBron too, but I feel like in this social media driven world now LeBron will have more things held against him. Even though I think Jordan is a far bigger scum bag/douche than LeBron ever was.
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Jordan is unquestionably a bigger scum bag. I don't think anyone can debate that.
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Haha. I hope the Heat win. It's become quite fun to watch all the LeBron haters squirm and try to make up excuses as to why he's REALLY not elite like MJ or something.
What bothers me so much about that is people act like Lebron's career is over. He's got a lot of basketball ahead of him and depending on how many rings, MVP's, or DPOY trophies he gets when it's all said and done is going to make it an interesting argument. There are quite a few things Bron does better then MJ already, and it's quite silly to be comparing MJ's full career legacy to a half career of Lebron.




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It's going to be interesting to see how many MVPs LBJ gets when it is all said and done. He could win it every year unless the media tires of him.

I guess in hindsight it's good they gave it to Nash that year Bron came in 2nd, because it would be pretty ridiculous at this rate if not.
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but Jordan was in Space Jam!!!! That makes him AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!
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What bothers me so much about that is people act like Lebron's career is over. He's got a lot of basketball ahead of him and depending on how many rings, MVP's, or DPOY trophies he gets when it's all said and done is going to make it an interesting argument. There are quite a few things Bron does better then MJ already, and it's quite silly to be comparing MJ's full career legacy to a half career of Lebron.







I guess in hindsight it's good they gave it to Nash that year Bron came in 2nd, because it would be pretty ridiculous at this rate if not.
The Rose MVP was complete horseshit as well.
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The Rose MVP was complete horseshit as well.
I could understand the Rose MVP though.

His season statistically plus how he vaulted the Bulls to the #1 team in conference.
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BUT HE HAD A HOBBLED WADE AND CHRIS "I can't rebound" BOSH! CLEARLY SUPERIOR TO WHAT JORDAN HAD!

I don't think people realize how much help Jordan had, and how he ALSO struggled before getting that help. It's amazing how much winning/time has covered up a lot of his faults.

I'm sure it will for LeBron too, but I feel like in this social media driven world now LeBron will have more things held against him. Even though I think Jordan is a far bigger scum bag/douche than LeBron ever was.
In the 98 finals Jordan had a useless Pippen and a broken down Rodman. He won that series on his own. LOOK AT GAME 6! http://www.basketball-reference.com/...806140UTA.html
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I could understand the Rose MVP though.

His season statistically plus how he vaulted the Bulls to the #1 team in conference.
No. Lebron was better an it wasn't even close.
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No. Lebron was better an it wasn't even close.
I didn't see he wasn't better. I just said I could understand it for Rose.
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In the 98 finals Jordan had a useless Pippen and a broken down Rodman. He won that series on his own. LOOK AT GAME 6! http://www.basketball-reference.com/...806140UTA.html
What's your point? LeBron literally just did the same thing this entire series. Carried his team. And has done so in the past too. Pretty much took what was a number one overall pick type team in the Cavs to the Finals.
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The Rose MVP reminds me of the Iverson MVP in 00-01. The reason Shaq only has 1 MVP is the same reason LeBron didnt win it two years ago. The Lakers were the villains of the league back then and were not at all popular, so the voters looked everywhere but the most logical choice just because they didn't really like him. The fact that Shaq doesn't have at least 3 MVP's is ridiculous.

Rose was, in the absolute best case scenario, third place two years ago behind LeBron and Dwight. Dwight was the best defensive player in the league and put up 23 and 14 on 59% shooting, leading a pretty meh Magic team to 52 wins. Dude is a complete child, but he was easily better than Rose two years ago. And LeBron? Well, he crushed everyone in virtually every possible way. Rose beating those two is frustrating.
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I think the point is MJ will forever be better than Lebron.

FOREVERRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!

Also, Lebron is elite at sprinting down the court after being called for a foul, whereas I don't think Jordan could even do that. Lebron 1, MJ 0.
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