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Old 06-21-2013, 12:13 AM    (permalink
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There really isnt, im just a sucker for lists and rankings. Id have literally zero real objections if you want to mix around the six guys in my sig in any order.
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Lebron mother-******* James.
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I honestly don't understand why people dislike LeBron.
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I honestly don't understand why people dislike LeBron.
From what I read, its pretty much the decision or "taking the easy way out" to win championships....which makes no sense to me.
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He plays for the Heat. The Decision. How much of a tough guy act he puts on versus how much of a whiny/floppy little ***** he can be. Seriously dude, ******* Miami?
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From what I read, its pretty much the decision or "taking the easy way out" to win championships....which makes no sense to me.
See, that's not what I hear. It is always something nonsensical like, "he's a douche."
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I honestly don't understand why people dislike LeBron.
Because he's good. He's a once in a generation talent. That is literally all someone needs to fuel hatred for someone else.
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I do. Larry is obviously amazing, but I think LeBron over these last two years has jumped him.
I don't think there is anything outrageous about this, Bird's career was roughly the same length as Bron has produced so even on a career comparison it's a fair case.

I've personally only seen 4 players play that I'd think about taking before Bron right now if my life depended on it, Hakeem, Jordan, Shaq and Duncan, I'm not even sure we've seen prime LeBron yet either and I'd say he is genuinely 50/50 with all but Jordan on that list!
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Oh Rose you knick lover you....LeBron does not put on a tough guy act... ever. Or at least not since he joined the Heat.....The back to back NBA Champion Heat.
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He plays for the Heat. The Decision. How much of a tough guy act he puts on versus how much of a whiny/floppy little ***** he can be. Seriously dude, ******* Miami?
Meh. Everyone flops. I'd flop my ass off too. The other team is doing it.

And the decision. Who gives a ****? His PR team **** the bed. Lebron is, by almost all accounts, one of the most genuine of all the superstars in the league. Hell, The Decision itself even raised a bunch of money for charity.
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LeBron's bar tab in Miami. Over/Under 500k.
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He will smash that number. Unless Pat Riley picks up the tab.
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As for hating LeBron...

Personally I find it very difficult to hate the player, his flopping is basically the only thing about his game that I don't love.

As a person/personality the list is a fair bit longer, I actually like him more now that he has embraced being a heel and run with it because to me he has always been a "douche" (for lack of a better term), his efforts to be the nice guy always seemed insincere to me, whether that is fair or not. I've never met him or anyone that has so it's purely on how I perceive him through media interaction.

The decision was pretty low, I have no problem with him going for a ring, hell I respect it and I wish more players would put the ring before money but the way he did it was spiteful and unnecessary towards a city that did nothing but support and admire him. There was no need to crush that city and be a genuine **** towards them.

The media obsession with him can also get nauseating at times, not his fault but still a part of "liking/hating" him.

I have to add, I don't hate LeBron but those elements all make me not like him as much as I could and probably should.

On top that he frustrates me a bit, most of the players that I "dislike" all have the "not as good as they should be" vibe. Probably harsh on Bron given how good he is but I dislike his refusal to add a genuine post game to his repertoire. Just like I always hated that Nash refused to just try on defense, he could have won a ring if he'd been willing to do that and I genuinely disliked that he wouldn't. Same for Dwight, before he went ***** mode and made me legitimately hate him I always disliked that he also refused to add any genuine post moves, that one hurt even more as a Magic fan though.

That said, I've liked LeBron more since he has sort of become more human and embraced that he often needs to be the bad guy.
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Lebron clearly just doesn't have "it".

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1 of the things I like most about Lebron is that as he's growing with age, you see less of the on court dancing, silly emotions, jumping around. The stoic expression with the buzzer beater at Indiana was a perfect example. The way he sought out and found Lance Stephenson and gave him some words of advice after the series. When the finals was over instead of running around going crazy or standing up on the rafter bringing attention to himself he went directly to Kawhai and Wade went directly to Duncan and paid their respect properly.


It's just hard for me to hate anybody like that. The flopping is annoying as hell, so is acting like he got fouled on every play, but his professionalism and how humble he is doesn't seem fake to me because it's easy to get caught up in those moments and that's usually when you see someones true character.
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I agree with you, LL. Also, not only has he grown in that regard, his game has gotten demonstrably better almost every year. Seriously, wog, LeBron has no post game?
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I have no problem with LeBron I just hate all the "LeBron" fans who aren't really Heat fans woot excluded
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I respect the hell out of Lebron's talent and game on the court.

But I will never forget him complaining that Rose didn't blow him to come to Chicago. That's just hilarious to me.

Also as fenikz said, I much more loathe the "Lebron fanboy" than I do him.
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I'm a monstrous LeBron fan boy and I'm proud to admit it.
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LeBron's development in his post game probably had as big of an impact as his improvement in 3s the past two seasons. That move on Danny Green the other night was so awesome.

I'm putting LeBron's progression points in the sky hook this offseason. Post game +18.
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I have no problem with LeBron I just hate all the "LeBron" fans who aren't really Heat fans woot excluded
Why? This is what I'll never understand. I guess it's the "cool" thing to act like you aren't impressed watching a Hall of Famer play on tv? I wish I had realized the magnitude of what I was watching when I was seeing MJ play but I didn't, all I knew at the time was he was just a really good player. I would have gotten so much more out of Bulls games if it dawned on me I was watching the greatest player to ever play the game.


So why does it bother people so much to enjoy watching history? I guess this is something I'll never understand.
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Meh. Everyone flops. I'd flop my ass off too. The other team is doing it.

And the decision. Who gives a ****? His PR team **** the bed. Lebron is, by almost all accounts, one of the most genuine of all the superstars in the league. Hell, The Decision itself even raised a bunch of money for charity.
It's not the flopping, I mean I've taked enough about my love for guys like Manu, Harden and Gallo who flop just as much as anybody. It's that this is 6'10" 250 pound monster of a man who acts like a big strong badass until someone's elbow swooshing creates a gust of wind so strong that it send him flying. That annoys me since I already don't like him for having made such an absurd spectacle out of joining the god damn Heat.
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