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Old 07-02-2013, 10:56 AM    (permalink
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How is Chandler not overrated, Brodie? He's older, he's injury prone, and he has VERY little offensive game. He can finish, that's fine, but he has zero post game and cannot shoot.
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Chandler can barely catch the ball without bobbling it, so I don't really care about his ability to finish when he's dropping the ball half the time.

He can dunk. Big deal. He's 7 1", he should be able to do that.

For the price, he's severely overrated. Is he valuable? Yes. We're a better team with him than without him for sure. But his production/dollar is not ideal. Neither is his age.

You can get similar production out of a big man rotation that is much cheaper and use the money you save on other resources.
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You would think if he's so bad at catching the ball, he'd turn the ball over a significant amount...which he doesn't. At all. You take Tyson Chandler off of the Knicks, and they go absolutely nowhere. I wouldn't even put them in the playoffs.
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Chandler was 44th in the NBA in PER last year.
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Chandler was 44th in the NBA in PER last year.
And Melo was 4th yet you hate on him all the time.
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Old 07-02-2013, 11:24 AM    (permalink
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Also, Amar'e was 13th. Please go.
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You would think if he's so bad at catching the ball, he'd turn the ball over a significant amount...which he doesn't. At all. You take Tyson Chandler off of the Knicks, and they go absolutely nowhere. I wouldn't even put them in the playoffs.
Cousins and Chandler have a nearly identical turnover rate (% of possessions ending in turnover).


Brody says Cousins turns the ball over a ridiculous amount.

Brody says Chandler doesn't turn the ball over a significant amount.

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Chandler was 44th in the NBA in PER last year.
And 4th in win-shares.

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Chandler is terrible though totally his fault the Knicks love their iso with their chuckers. :P Keep in mind the Knick's usage percentages too... 35.6 for Melo (league leading) and 26.5 for JR (20th).
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And Asik was 147. Definitely go.
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You're confusing me with Brody. I barely even acknowledge the worthless Knicks.
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Cousins and Chandler have a nearly identical turnover rate (% of possessions ending in turnover).


Brody says Cousins turns the ball over a ridiculous amount.

Brody says Chandler doesn't turn the ball over a significant amount.

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Old 07-02-2013, 11:30 AM    (permalink
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I think it's time you give some credit where credit is due, Brody.

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Old 07-02-2013, 11:32 AM    (permalink
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Meh, it's more of my overlooking that than anything when it comes to Chandler. Cousins is still inefficient and lousy on D.
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Is still better than any player on that shithole of a team you root for.
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I don't see Shumpert developing into a legitimate 2nd option on offense. I hope he does, but I don't see it happening. His jumper isn't great (debunk with stats by all means - I'm not looking up the advanced stats - this is all eye test), he's passive at times, and he can't create his own shot.

Yes he went on a memorable run in Game 6 against Indiana, but he finished that game with 19 points and shot 41% from the field in the playoffs.

I think he can be a 14ish ppg scorer and a dynamite defender, but a lot of people are expecting him to become a real No. 2 option and there's just no evidence of him making that leap in terms of assertiveness or consistency. This is a guy who scored 20 pts once all year last year...

I think his good flashes were flashes of a 14 ppg scorer - not a guy who's gonna give you 18-20 on a high seed...

He had as many single digit games as double digit games in the playoffs.

As for Elton Brand - if there was any way we could put his toughness in Bargs body with Bargs shooting - we'd have a nice player.
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I take it you like to play the NBA 2K series? Andrea is as soft as the name implies. Barg's might break a nail if he tried to actually defend someone.

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I don't play video games. Other than Madden. I hate Bargs. I just don't think we gave up anything critical for him so I don't get the uproar.
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The uproar is that you pay a guy 12m per year to be absolutely worthless at playing basketball.
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The uproar is that you pay a guy 12m per year to be absolutely worthless at playing basketball.
As opposed to have Steve Novak sitting on our bench for 3 years?

Come on.

It's fine to make fun of the player, but this was a wise move financially. The team is so hamstrung with stupid ass Amare, saving money for 2015 was about all they could do to help the cap situation.
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