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Old 07-02-2013, 01:00 PM    (permalink
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Yeah that's the funny part that everyone is forgetting. We saved money by trading for Bargs. He's off the books before Novak was.

Novak and Camby = Bargs contract with more years. We got rid of more years thus saving money, while trading 2 crappy players for 1.

What's the problem?
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If I'm not mistaken Bargs has a cotton ball icon next to his name in 2K13.
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Bargs contract is also a great trade asset in 2015. So is Amare's.

We basically got ourselves 2 incredible bargaining chips for the 2015 trade deadline.

Terrible contracts can have value if you play your cards right. We have ourselves 2 bargaining chips. It will suck for 2014, but in 2015 we can completely redo our team with those 2 assets.
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I honestly think Kobe is the reason Dwight wants to leave.
No doubt. Is Howard still wanting to add another star in Houston?

For me Howard should just take what they have there, which is pretty good, and make them better. He wants a perfect situation so he can look like the big star when they win something.
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I can't stand Dwight Howard. You're not winning any championships with that mental midget.
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You aren't winning any championships with Chris Paul either but all people ever say this about is Howard which ironically he's came closer to winning one then CP3 ever will.
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As opposed to have Steve Novak sitting on our bench for 3 years?
I would much rather pay Steve Novak $15,000,000 over the next four years than pay Bargnani $32,000,000 over the next three. It's not even close. This would've been a bad trade had the Knicks traded Novak for Bargnani straight up. Add in the fact that they traded a 1st round pick, and it's indefensible.
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Melo has won 3 playoff series in his entire career. Dwight dragged a mediocre Orlando team to the finals (winning 3 series in route) and they put up a fight against a better Lakers team. You sure about that?
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Melo has won 3 playoff series in his entire career. Dwight dragged a mediocre Orlando team to the finals (winning 3 series in route) and they put up a fight against a better Lakers team. You sure about that?
Melo will teabag you soon enough. I need a picture of you for photoshopping purposes come playoff time btw.

And Dwight has a bad back. Big man with a bad back who's seeking a max extension, who has no skills other than being big, lacks offense, is getting older, is a mental midget who doesn't have the competitive fire that you need, is not a leader, is the biggest drama queen in the league, you want to make that guy the face of your franchise?

Cool.

Have fun with Josh Smith btw.

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You aren't winning any championships with Chris Paul either but all people ever say this about is Howard which ironically he's came closer to winning one then CP3 ever will.
Why can't Chris Paul win one? I fail to see the correlation. Paul has the mental makeup to succeed in the right environment. Dwight doesn't.
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What has CP3 ever shown us to prove that he can? The bad team argument doesn't work because we've already seen superstars take bad teams to the Finals and lose, he gets a legit team and loses in the first round and nobody says a word about it. Yet you can say Dwight for sure won't win one after making it further then CP3 has?
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Melo will teabag you soon enough. I need a picture of you for photoshopping purposes come playoff time btw.

And Dwight has a bad back. Big man with a bad back who's seeking a max extension, who has no skills other than being big, lacks offense, is getting older, is a mental midget who doesn't have the competitive fire that you need, is not a leader, is the biggest drama queen in the league, you want to make that guy the face of your franchise?

Cool.

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Why can't Chris Paul win one? I fail to see the correlation. Paul has the mental makeup to succeed in the right environment. Dwight doesn't.
DWIGHT DRAGGED A TEAM TO THE NBA FINALS, YOU DON'T DO THAT WITHOUT SOME FIRE IN YOU. Jesus, he had one less than amazing season and he wasn't fully healthy. Get over it already. And Dwight isn't just a big guy, he's a dominant defender when healthy and dominant in the paint on offense.
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DWIGHT DRAGGED A TEAM TO THE NBA FINALS, YOU DON'T DO THAT WITHOUT SOME FIRE IN YOU. Jesus, he had one less than amazing season and he wasn't fully healthy. Get over it already. And Dwight isn't just a big guy, he's a dominant defender when healthy and dominant in the paint on offense.
I wouldn't say Dwight "dragged" them.

Hedo and Rashard were the heroes of the playoffs that season. They played really good team basketball with a young Courtney Lee plus Gortat/Pietrus coming off the bench. Dwight never actually took one big shot in that playoffs. I watched every magic game that postseason because my best friend is a Magic fan.
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Not to mention that the East was incredibly weak that year. And Mike Brown happened.

Dwight's finals appearance is blown out of proportion. Back injuries are no joke, and back surgery is no joke. When you're 6 11" and as thick as he is, it's even more serious.

Big men with injuries are an incredibly large risk. Especially when that injury is a back surgery. If you want to give him max money go ahead, but don't be surprised if he doesn't live up to that contract.

It's an incredibly large risk for a guy who is a marginal offensive player.
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"Marginal offensive player"
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Ok, lemme reword that. Marginal offensive skill set. He can score bc of his physicality. But with age that will go to ****.

And before anyone mentions Shaq let me remind you that Shaq was 100x more nimble, and had 100x more of a post game than Howard, and had a hook shot.

Oh and he never had back surgery.
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Marginal offensive "skillset" is definitely the correct wording.
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I find it interesting that everyone is sweeping his back surgery under the rug. As if it's just going to be a footnote. Back surgeries are often career ending or debilitating. And with him being a big man, an injury of that magnitude is amplified even more.

The man had a disc removed from his back. That's not a minor procedure by any means. A lower disc on top of that. On that frame. Why is this being swept under the rug?

I'd be scared to death to give this man a fully guaranteed 10 year contract. No thank you.
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If KG doesn't go down in 09, Dwight has no chance of making that finals.
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Asik certainly isnt an offensive force, but he finished off the year a much better player on that end than he was when it started. He was BRUTAL at the start of the year, unable to catch any passes, completely blowing every close attempt at a basket, etc. He's improved nicely and has become a nice pick and roll option.

Also, for as bad as Houston's D was in overall numbers, they were a top defense when Asik was on the court. They completely fell apart when he wasn't. That's not just me randomly saying that, there's statistical proof, but I don't feel like searching it out. It was one of the topics at that advanced stats meeting where everyone shat on David Lee.

Chandler is still the better offensive option, but I think they're pretty close on D. People are just down on Chandler because he had an awful playoffs. He's a really good player, and the Knicks would have been terrible without him last year. Give me Chandler this upcoming season for sure, but its close for year 2, and definitely Asik after that. But thats just due to age. Both good players, Chandler is just more advanced right now.

Though, Asik does have him in two areas. He's much better at protecting the rim against drivers without fouling (he's mastered the "arms straight up" defense that Hibbert used so effectively against Miami), and he also wins out at being #1 in the league at CONSTANTLY LOOKING EXHAUSTED. It doesn't matter which point of the game youre in. Just tipped off? Asik looks like he just finished running a marathon. It's one of my favorite things about him.
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