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Old 07-15-2013, 04:08 PM    (permalink
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I can't wait until we play the Bulls this year. I DARE Rose to come into the paint. DARE HIM. Get that other ACL torn.
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I can't wait until we play the Bulls this year. I DARE Rose to come into the paint. DARE HIM. Get that other ACL torn.
To face what defense that he hasn't already lit up?

There are going to be so many hilarious shots in every Knicks game it's going to be amazing. I hope you guys get Jennings somehow to ensure chucking status at all times.

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I am able to justify moving on from Jennings because I don't think this team is going anywhere while we have a point guard who fails to be a facilitator.
You know I've had issues with Jameer over the years for being a poor facilitator... but I've come to realize, that's not the part of the game that bothers me most about him. It was more his inability to play defense that had been killing me. As a scorer, I could never fault Jameer. He was clutch afterall. It was the opposite end of the floor that was unforgiving.

When I look around, I don't really see teams being successful with pass first PGs. Grevous Vazquez lead the league last year in AST. Chris Paul, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd... traditional "pass first" prototypes... haven't done much at all. On the other hand... Tony Parker, Russell Westrbrook, Derrick Rose, Steph Curry ... and teams rebuilding around the likes of John Wall, Kyrie Irving, Damien Lillard... these guys are not pass first guys.

There aren't a lot of contenders who have PGs that are mostly facilitators. I'd say the one exception has been Rajon Rondo. Mabye Deron Williams (he has a nice balance of scoring and passing).

So I know you were kinda bummed about Jeff Teague, but is he really an upgrade over Jennings? I just don't see it that clearly. At least not by comparing stats.
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Jennings shoots a worse percentage, on more shots, while dishing out less assists.

His only advantage is hair.
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I can't wait until we play the Bulls this year. I DARE Rose to come into the paint. DARE HIM. Get that other ACL torn.
As much swag as the Knicks players think they have, they really play soft. MWP helps a lot now, but Knicks teams have always been soft. That's why getting Bargs wasn't really a shocker to see. I really like getting Artest. Especially at the price tag.

Bulls on the other hand... even when their best players are out, they play scrappy hard nosed basketball. I don't think Rose has anything to fear about the Knicks.
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Jennings shoots a worse percentage, on more shots, while dishing out less assists.

His only advantage is hair.
Both have the same ORat - 106. An estimate of points produced (players) or scored (teams) per 100 possessions. DRat is also very close.

And a 7.2 vs 6.5 APG difference is not mind blowing.

I admit the mirage is there. The critique on Jennings is mostly unjustified, imo.
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I admit the mirage is there. The critique on Jennings is mostly unjustified, imo.
Jennings has the ability to be very good, and he shows the plus side from time to time but he is inconsistent to say the least and is a frustrating player to watch.
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Jennings has the ability to be very good, and he shows the plus side from time to time but he is inconsistent to say the least and is a frustrating player to watch.
Inconsistency is the worst. I agree.

I think he would be better on a team that had their stars in place or a coach with a backbone. I think Chicago would be a good spot for him. He'd learn a lot from playing in that system with those kind of guys around him.
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So is this a playoff team?

PG: Jennings
SG: Knight/KCP
SF: J Smoove
PF: Monroe
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So is this a playoff team?

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im not sure but i can't think of a worse possible group to surround monroe+drummond with
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I can...

They'd be pretty talented... I wouldn't expect them to contend. But they might be better than my Wizards for the 8 seed.
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A high low combo of Al Jefferson and Cody Zeller is going to be very good.
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A high low combo of Al Jefferson and Cody Zeller is going to be very good.
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So is this a playoff team?

PG: Jennings
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I can see a 6-8 seed from this team.
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A high low combo of Al Jefferson and Cody Zeller is going to be very good.
I'll say this.... Signing Al Jefferson made the drafting of Zeller a lot more sensible. Can't bash them for passing on Noel now. It looks like they actually had a vision and it went according to plan. Their future still hinges on MKG though. If he busts, it's gonna continue to be rough for them. Cause now they are too good to be bad and too bad to be great.
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So is this a playoff team?

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SF: J Smoove
PF: Monroe
C: Drummond
I say yes easily. But Monroe and Drummond have to do more than what they have done so far.
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im not sure but i can't think of a worse possible group to surround monroe+drummond with
If only they could add Monta Ellis off the bench and that would be my dream off-season for the Pistons.
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******* JR Smith out 12-16 weeks after knee surgery.

Ugh. Last year is looking like the perfect season. And a missed opportunity postseason.
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I'll say this.... Signing Al Jefferson made the drafting of Zeller a lot more sensible. Can't bash them for passing on Noel now. It looks like they actually had a vision and it went according to plan. Their future still hinges on MKG though. If he busts, it's gonna continue to be rough for them. Cause now they are too good to be bad and too bad to be great.
Agree on Gilchrist, who actually has looked pretty good. I don't see them winning a ton of games, certainly not enough to make the playoffs.

I think one misconception is that if you don't win the Wiggins sweepstakes you're going to be the big loser but 2014 appears a lot deeper than that.
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******* JR Smith out 12-16 weeks after knee surgery.

Ugh. Last year is looking like the perfect season. And a missed opportunity postseason.
What? They never had a chance in the playoffs. They got lucky and ran into a fried Celtics team that looked like they were tanking to play Miami in Round 1, but Milwaukee was too bad.
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Jennings has the ability to be very good, and he shows the plus side from time to time but he is inconsistent to say the least and is a frustrating player to watch.
I think Jennings would be a much better player on a better team where he doesn't feel like he absolutely has to be the man on offense. If Sac could manage to get him without giving up Thornton, I think that'd be a good situation.
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Agree on Gilchrist, who actually has looked pretty good. I don't see them winning a ton of games, certainly not enough to make the playoffs.

I think one misconception is that if you don't win the Wiggins sweepstakes you're going to be the big loser but 2014 appears a lot deeper than that.
I don't think people think that. Many think this is one of the best drafts since Lebron's. However, there will be a drop off. No one knows where that is yet, but there are some stud names out there. I think anyone with a Top 10 pick should safely find a potential difference maker.
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The Knicks never should've relied on JR Smith in the first place. They were just forced to.

The person that makes or breaks the Knicks is Amare Stoudemire. If he's turns up lame again this year, then they will have a similar end result.

A healthy Stat is what the Knicks need. Puts Melo back at the 3 where he belongs.
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What? They never had a chance in the playoffs. They got lucky and ran into a fried Celtics team that looked like they were tanking to play Miami in Round 1, but Milwaukee was too bad.
Come on.

The team won 54 freaking games in the regular season. They lost to Indy in 6 - the same team that took Miami 7. They should have gotten to the Heat but everyone played like ****, especially Kidd and stupid JR during the Pacers series.

They had a chance to get to Miami.
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