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Old 11-20-2013, 09:04 PM    (permalink
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He's only like 2-12 though or something. Teams are going to start hacking him I'd assume.
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Shaq was a better defensive big man than Ben Wallace. He could score unlike Ben and wasn't tiny, but he was still a better defender, as where Zo, Ewing and maybe Duncan or Robinson? Ben Wallace was a great defender, but there were better defenders.
No, just no.
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Old 11-20-2013, 09:09 PM    (permalink
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This is incorrect. Ben is historically great.
He was one of the great defenders of his era, but I still think Shaq, Zo and Ewing where better defenders. Coming in 5 behind those 3 and Hakeem is no shame. Ben gets a little over-rated because of how phenomenally useless he was offensively, and Shaq gets under-rated on D because of how devastating his offensive game was and how he never managed to get not-awful at FTs. Zo-Ben isn't really a question for me either. I'll give that Patrick and Ben is a toss up in my eyes, but Patrick was such a freak defensively before age and knees made him more of a scoring center.
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You insane, Rosebud.

Also, CP3 is such an underrated closer.
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Sully is beasting tonight.

In a losing effort, but well...most of them are.
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Gerald Green has played pretty damn well for the Suns this year.
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Corey Brewer jacking threes is always excellent.
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Old 11-20-2013, 09:16 PM    (permalink
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He was one of the great defenders of his era, but I still think Shaq, Zo and Ewing where better defenders. Coming in 5 behind those 3 and Hakeem is no shame. Ben gets a little over-rated because of how phenomenally useless he was offensively, and Shaq gets under-rated on D because of how devastating his offensive game was and how he never managed to get not-awful at FTs. Zo-Ben isn't really a question for me either. I'll give that Patrick and Ben is a toss up in my eyes, but Patrick was such a freak defensively before age and knees made him more of a scoring center.
Shaw was a good defender in his prime. Ben was a top 3 defender of the last 20 years, with Hakeem and Dikembe (who you didn't mention for some reason).
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CP3 has been single-handedly eviscerating the Wolves for the final 5 minutes of this game. What a closeout.
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Hakeem, Wallace, Dikembe, Ewing, Duncan, Garnett, Howard, Walton, Zo, Hayes, etc are all above Shaq by a substantial margin. Shaq wasnt an elite defender.

He COULD have been, but he barely gave a **** on D because he was so focused on being insanely dominant on offense. He was still good, but not remotely close to what he could have been. Zo and Ewing were both phenomenal defenders (Ewing has somehow become insanely underrated as a defensive presence, he was fantastic), but Ben and Hakeem are easily the best defensive bigs since the merger.
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Larkin gives me a half chub, this team gets deeper the healthier this bench gets. Once Harris get's better it'll be interesting to see how Carlise mixes up the lineups with all the gaurds we have
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Shaq was a better defensive big man than Ben Wallace. He could score unlike Ben and wasn't tiny, but he was still a better defender, as where Zo, Ewing and maybe Duncan or Robinson? Ben Wallace was a great defender, but there were better defenders.
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Gerald Green is raining fire.
It's crazy how insanely good he is when he's on... And also how rare it is that he's on. I gather that he's a bit of a mental midget. I wonder how much different his career would have been if he'd been drafted to a team with a coach that was capable of dealing with young players.
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Shaw was a good defender in his prime. Ben was a top 3 defender of the last 20 years, with Hakeem and Dikembe (who you didn't mention for some reason).
I knew I was forgetting someone, totally spaced on Mutombo.

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that's my top 5 defensive Cs of my lifetime, cause Shaq wasn't just good, he was an ogre who dominated the glass. He could push his C away from the hoop in man when he cared to, in an era where C's still posted each other up, and was once possibly the most dynamic help defender I've ever seen.
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No reason in particular. I wasn't trying to call out Kings fans or anything. I think the recent Kings trade talks inspired me to look at their salaries in upcoming years. I think it was primarily that like half the roster are PFs, many of whom are getting paid decent money, almost none of which can even play C. I think I was aware of this, but it just reminded...and confused me.
I didn't take it that way at all, I just freaked out for a second thinking we did something stupid on the trade market (again).


Also, Gerald Green is the best bad team good stats guy in the NBA right now.


PS. I wish we played the Suns 82 times a year.
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Hakeem, Wallace, Dikembe, Ewing, Duncan, Garnett, Howard, Walton, Zo, Hayes, etc are all above Shaq by a substantial margin. Shaq wasnt an elite defender.

He COULD have been, but he barely gave a **** on D because he was so focused on being insanely dominant on offense. He was still good, but not remotely close to what he could have been. Zo and Ewing were both phenomenal defenders (Ewing has somehow become insanely underrated as a defensive presence, he was fantastic), but Ben and Hakeem are easily the best defensive bigs since the merger.
Shaq could've been more dominant on D, but he was still an outstanding man defender when he was up against a team with a C to challenge him, an unstoppable force on the glass, in his earlier years a dynamic help defender, and when he was in the game on D he was just terrifying.

As for Patrick I didn't wanna be too homerific with that ferocious manimal, but he was absolutely freakish before his knees started to explode. That's part of why people forget about how dominant he was on D, he was Dwight, but in the 80s, and then he developed that offensive game.
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So Anthony Davis and Boogie pretty much have the same numbers.
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I didn't take it that way at all, I just freaked out for a second thinking we did something stupid on the trade market (again).


Also, Gerald Green is the best bad team good stats guy in the NBA right now.


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So Anthony Davis and Boogie pretty much have the same numbers.
http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players...%93&player_ids[]=1287&player_ids[]=289&season=2013#shooting
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Sooooooooo MCW can't shoot and Larkin is better than him after all. Phew, we really dodged a bullet there.
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Sully is beasting tonight.

In a losing effort, but well...most of them are.
I'm more surprised that he finally got the start over Randon Ass. The bench was garbage. I'd like to see Phil Pressey start with Bradley at the 2.
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