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Old 12-08-2013, 10:30 PM    (permalink
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Why are you quoting yourself?
Haha....that was meant to be in response to Brody.

I dunno...shut up.
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Haha....that was meant to be in response to Brody.

I dunno...shut up.
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Old 12-08-2013, 10:58 PM    (permalink
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Don't be ridiculous. Her bedtime is at 10.

Also, the Celtics beat the Knicks by 40. Holy **** balls.
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I don't think the Kings trade is as bad as people think. Now they get to see what they have with IT starting at the 1 and DW at the 4. And I don't think it hurts them long-term. Gets rid of a lot of pieces that were just taking minutes and shots for no reason. And if *** can revert to where he was for Memphis (ie 16 SPG and 45+ %), he won't be a complete progression killer for the young guys.
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Old 12-09-2013, 12:04 AM    (permalink
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Maybe if he quit being a little ***** and just put some contacts on, he would.
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Old 12-09-2013, 12:24 AM    (permalink
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Well, that's a fun trade.

Now I demand someone trades for Josh Smith. I suggest Dallas gives us Matrix and Vince Carter for him.
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Old 12-09-2013, 12:38 AM    (permalink
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Amare for Josh Smith is still my desire.
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Seems like Xavier Henry is really starting to develop.
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Old 12-09-2013, 08:33 AM    (permalink
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I don't think the Kings trade is as bad as people think. Now they get to see what they have with IT starting at the 1 and DW at the 4. And I don't think it hurts them long-term. Gets rid of a lot of pieces that were just taking minutes and shots for no reason. And if *** can revert to where he was for Memphis (ie 16 SPG and 45+ %), he won't be a complete progression killer for the young guys.
problem is Rudy Cool thinks he's "the guy" so he'll continue to chuck up god awful contested shots. Kings won't lack athleticism though with an IT/McLemore/Rudy/DWill/Boogie lineup

ideally though, Rudy either opts out or at worst is with the team one more year, Thornton is traded and JT is traded.

really the way I look at this trade is that the Kings may have likely gotten worse(which is fine considering this draft) and more importantly, Ray McCallum will now get minutes as backup PG. I liked that pick of him in rd2 so I want to see him get some playing time. Oh and John Salmons is gone.
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Now I demand someone trades for Josh Smith. I suggest Dallas gives us Matrix and Vince Carter for him.
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Kings trying to get rid of Jason Thompson as well. I like what they are doing, really. Get rid of all the scraps. If Deron Williams can't succeed at the 4 with consistent starter minutes, oh well. If IT is a better sixth man than starter, oh well. But they are trying to play guys who are somewhat of unknown commodities.
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Kings trying to get rid of Jason Thompson as well. I like what they are doing, really. Get rid of all the scraps. If Deron Williams can't succeed at the 4 with consistent starter minutes, oh well. If IT is a better sixth man than starter, oh well. But they are trying to play guys who are somewhat of unknown commodities.
I don't think he will.
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Someone take Thompson and Thornton pls. Ty
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Probably not but it's a better move than trotting out Pat Patterson and Jason Thompson.
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That's cause Deron plays for the Nets. Brody is being an asshole
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Deron Williams has the girth to play the 4 if he wanted.


And you guys know what I mean when I say girth, so don't try it.
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lol Deron at the 4 does sound like a J Kidd type move.
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Kings need to dump at least one or they will be over the luxury tax line when the re-sign IT.

I think something is going to happen soon.
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I have 5 finals this week, give me a break...
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Jason Thompson/Ray McCallum for Jameer Nelson.

I've always been in the JT fan club. I actually like his contract and I think he would be a nice compliment to Vucevic in the post. His ability to play PF and C is a plus and the Magic need more length down low.

Jameer gives you the cap relief you seek. McCallum might be a sneaky pick up.

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I think something is going to happen soon.
Yeah they are actively shopping JT now. More stuff will be happening.
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Okay, I'm on my desktop instead of the iPad so I'm going to get my thoughts down on this trade.

First let's look at this from 2 one-sided perspectives.

From the Toronto Raptors perspective:
They were able to get rid of an albatross contract of a high-usage ballhog who has terrible efficiency without having to give up value in a dump. This has to be seen as a win. Rudy Cool was not positive aspect to their team on the court simply based on usage/effeciency ratio. On top of that he was causing them to be cash strapped with that giant deal he received in Memphis. This has to be seen as a win.

From the Sacramento Kings perspective:
The Kings gave up absolutely nothing of value in a deal to receive a player who can legitimately play SF in the NBA. They finally got rid of John Salmons who is a pound-pound-pound-shoot iso player and they were able to get rid of a year and a half of Chuck Hayes' salary. They may have given up Greivis Vasquez, but he has turned in a poor performance on this team so far. So in the Kings' eyes, they gave up nothing of value for someone who actually belongs as a starting SF in the NBA. Taking into account it's been 7 years since they have had an NBA SF, this could be seen as a win for the Kings.

Now to put this into the big picture, taking the entire situation into account:
I don't see how this can be seen as anything other than a massive win for the Toronto Raptors. They got a chance to get rid of Rudy Cool without having to sweeten the deal with picks/other prospects? YES PLEASE! Nowhere in the NBA are you supposed to be able to get rid of a contract like that, attached to a player performing so poorly without having to give up added value to sweeten the pot.

And the Kings, you really couldn't leverage anything else out of that? When you take on a single big contract like that, you are a LEAST supposed to get rid of a couple smaller contracts to match with the idea that receiving team can auction off the smaller contracts in smaller deals more easily. Nope. Instead you gave the Raptors a free pass on a giant contract attached to a guy who has been in serious decline.

On top of that, I really question how Rudy Cool fits on the Kings team as it currently stands with both Demarcus Cousins and IT on the team. How can you fit another blackhole on this team, starter or not? It would appear the Kings will have IT, Cousins and Cool on the floor at the same time quite a bit which just doesn't make any sense. That is going to be some terrible basketball.

Finally, even with the terrible fit, the Kings still got an upgrade in overall talent here (at a HUGE premium). So what does that mean exactly? It means even with the terrible fit, you are likely to see more wins from this team, but an even more unwatchable product on the court. It takes them further out of contention for the top 3 picks in the draft and moves them into the realm of mediocrity at 5-9.

I don't see the purpose of this trade.

I get that the Kings didn't give up value in this trade. And in that sense it's not as bad as some make it out to be, but when taking on a contract like Rudy Cool, you need to get a heck of a lot more out of it. And this trade just doesn't make sense in the grand scheme of building the team now or with the draft in mind.
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