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Old 03-07-2014, 10:59 PM    (permalink
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You have to say a lot. That said, Stephenson is doing more dumb stuff. Hibbert has been looking far less menacing. I think they are just a little burnt out after going consistently harder than any other team for the first 50 games.
In a sense. Hibbert can't win DPOY for being so goddamn useless for his size at rebounding...I want to point that out. A large part of defense is rebounding, and he kinda blows at it.
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I have Ibaka as DPOTY right now, probably. He's gone next level.
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DeAndre for DPOTY and Most Improved.
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Suns will win Most Improved, Coach of the Year, Executive of the Year, & 6th Man
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How can Bledsoe win Most Improved if he's only played like 20 games?
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DeAndre for DPOTY and Most Improved.
DeAndre is barely an above average defender. He is not the best defensive player in the NBA.
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DeAndre is barely an above average defender. He is not the best defensive player in the NBA.
Leads the NBA in defensive rebounds and third in blocks. How is that barely above average?
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DeAndre is getting better, but he was a complete mess on rotations/PnR for the first half of the year. Ibaka and Hibbert are miles ahead of him.
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Hibbert has George, Stephenson, Hill and West playing in the same lineup...all are above average at worst defenders. Hibbert is way too bad of a rebounder to win this.
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Ibaka should win. With exception of maybe Noah (who has Taj as opposed to Perkins for Serge), it's not all that close for me, really.
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Andrew Bogut or Paul George, then.
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Andrew Bogut or Paul George, then.
Bogut has been great. Unfair of me to leave him off.

George is a no for me. Being a wing downgrades him as does the supporting cast.

1. Ibaka
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3. Hibbert / Bogut
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If a "wing" wins it then it needs to be LBJ.
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I want to say Self told him to do that for his draft stock because the game was fairly meaningless, but he was just too ******* efficient for that to have been the case and a 1 seed may have actually been on the line for Kansas. And that's the thing with Wiggins...he's part of the new way of looking at basketball players. He's amazing defensively and incredibly efficient on the offensive side.
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Have to love his defensive ability. His anticipation is great coupled with his quickness. His floor isn't low as people seem to indicate. At the very least he is going to be great in transition, a decent shooter, and a defensive presence. At best, who knows.
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I think his floor is Caron Butler and his ceiling is at least Tracy McGrady.
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And that's the thing with Wiggins...he's not part of the new way of looking at basketball players. He's amazing defensively and incredibly efficient on the offensive side.
But valuing defense and offensive efficiency is the new way of looking at basketball players.
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I don't understand this. How is this "new" ways of looking at basketball players? Yes, there are and have been "superstars" who were "inefficient" and lack some defensive caliber, but to think that these values in players are some sort of new ideology is pretty absurd and a weirdly elitist viewpoint that's hovering around
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I don't understand this. How is this "new" ways of looking at basketball players? Yes, there are and have been "superstars" who were "inefficient" and lack some defensive caliber, but to think that these values in players are some sort of new ideology is pretty absurd and a weirdly elitist viewpoint that's hovering around
Of course efficiency and defense have always been valued but it's undeniable that things like advanced stats and metrics are a much greater part of the collective basketball consciousness now than they've ever been.
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Of course efficiency and defense have always been valued but it's undeniable that things like advanced stats and metrics are a much greater part of the collective basketball consciousness now than they've ever been.
I agree, but at the same time, I feel like they're being over-valued in terms of judging a player as a whole. Its computerizing the game of basketball to the point where people are using these stats as the end all be all of basketball. I do acknowledge that they are an awesome way to measure certain things that had been virtually immeasurable, but it's skewing the way people look at players and the game as a whole based off of just these numbers.
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I agree, but at the same time, I feel like they're being over-valued in terms of judging a player as a whole. Its computerizing the game of basketball to the point where people are using these stats as the end all be all of basketball. I do acknowledge that they are an awesome way to measure certain things that had been virtually immeasurable, but it's skewing the way people look at players and the game as a whole based off of just these numbers.
I'm actually more or less with you on this point in that a player's quality should be defined by more than the efficiency of their statistical output. We shouldn't just dismiss things like skills, physical tools, creativity, ability to hit a variety of shots, ability to influence the game, etc, etc when discussing how good players are if those abilities don't always line up with the numbers. I like advanced stats and think they should be a solid sized piece in evaluating players but certainly not the only piece.

But the original point was that the heightened emphasis of efficiency on both ends is the new way of looking at basketball players which (for better or worse) you're pretty much agreeing with in this post.
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