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Old 07-29-2014, 09:59 PM    (permalink
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The current Cavs with a healthy Andy are better than every team in the West aside from SAS, OKC, and maybe LAC. They're better than HOU, POR, and GS.
You mean the guy who has never played an 82 game season in 10 years, and expect him healthy?
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The current Cavs with a healthy Andy are better than every team in the West aside from SAS, OKC, and maybe LAC. They're better than HOU, POR, and GS.
You horribly overrate Kyrie and saying what Varejao, even a healthy Varejao, is going to be in 2014 is not really evidence based.
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OK. So, I said as is. So Love to the Cavs is out. As far as the Bulls....meh. I have no idea who Rose is now. If he's not a star, they're not beating the Warriors/Rockets and above and teams like Portland would give them a dogfight.



I mean...most decent analysts seem to agree with me. Weak at the top, deep in the middle seems to be the consensus for the East.
Who needs a star to win a title..is Manu a star? Is Duncan still a star? No tony Parker closest thing and tbh he is fading but a top 5 pg no doubt. Analysts ..analyze they don't know anything. Lebron with a real pg to me is dangerous. Could take time (a year) but he will get it together.
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Who needs a star to win a title..is Manu a star? Is Duncan still a star? No tony Parker closest thing and tbh he is fading but a top 5 pg no doubt. Analysts ..analyze they don't know anything. Lebron with a real pg to me is dangerous. Could take time (a year) but he will get it together.
Did you watch the Bulls last year? Their offense is a complete joke. If Rose can't single-handedly carry it, they're complete toast. They basically were the anti-Spurs on that end of the floor, star or no star.
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You horribly overrate Kyrie and saying what Varejao, even a healthy Varejao, is going to be in 2014 is not really evidence based.
While I agree with what you are saying here... we shouldn't forget that the Heat team Lebron dragged to the finals last year was truly not that talented. Bosh is a very good player but besides that? The corpse of Dwayne Wade? Ray Allen, Rio, Birdman, Oden, Cole... that is not a very good team, but I still think they would have beaten anyone besides the Spurs (perhaps not the Grizzlies) in the finals.

I see no reason why Wiggins, Kyrie and Lebron can't beat HOU, POR, and GS in a series at least based on those teams' forms from last year.
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You horribly overrate Kyrie and saying what Varejao, even a healthy Varejao, is going to be in 2014 is not really evidence based.
Huh? Varejao has always been good when on the court. He was good last year when he played. They have enough scoring - they just need him to play some D and rebound.

I'm not guaranteeing 82 games. I'm saying if he's healthy for the playoffs and they get to the Finals, they'd likely be favored against every team in the West aside from the three I mentioned.

It's not about overrating Kyrie so much as appreciating what LeBron is going to do for him. It would be shocking if Kyrie isn't a better player this year. He's entering his prime, a year wiser, and now gets to benefit from playing alongside the best player in the world. In addition, the team has two stud defensive players who can guard multiple positions.

Tristian Thompson isn't bad, Waiters can score, and if Miller is half as good as he's been for the past 1.5 years, he'll be a very valuable piece.

Their big depth is a huge question, but it's not that much worse than Miami's was, and I'd contend that Miami was a better team than those 2nd-tier West teams last year too.
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In all honesty if we are going to say a healthy Andy is helping the Cavs go far, lets say a healthy Bogut would have changed some series last year.
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Who is talking about the bulls..and no I didn't they pride themselves on defense.

If rose can be the old rose they will be at there best... Nuffff said. Big ifffff though. They added gasol who is an offensive player? Lost boozer who sux. Still have the core. They will be a top 3 seed no doubt. They got better regardless.
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Someone mentioned the Bulls. The only team with an argument is the Cavs. And that is solely because LeBron is other-wordly. But if we are assuming full health, the Warriors destroy them with LeBron probably pulling 2 games out of his ass. Houston is at the very least a dogfight. So is Portland. Varejao also had the worst year in recent career last year and you are assuming Wiggins is an elite NBA defender for some reason.
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I said stud, not elite. He's got all the tools and projects to be a good wing defender.

Varejao isn't some great player but his game is a perfect fit for that team. He can do everything they need from that spot.

You really think the Warriors would destroy the Cavs? Interesting. I disagree.
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I said stud, not elite. He's got all the tools and projects to be a good wing defender.

Varejao isn't some great player but his game is a perfect fit for that team. He can do everything they need from that spot.

You really think the Warriors would destroy the Cavs? Interesting. I disagree.
Assuming health? Absolutely.

Curry-Klay-Iggy-Lee-Bogut wipes the floor with them. They can go small with even more shooting too with Draymond for Lee. Throw in Livingston off the bench. Yeah, I think Warriors in 6.
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Assuming health? Absolutely.

Curry-Klay-Iggy-Lee-Bogut wipes the floor with them. They can go small with even more shooting too with Draymond for Lee. Throw in Livingston off the bench. Yeah, I think Warriors in 6.
Agreed, assuming health.

Bogut >>>> Varajeo
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Assuming health? Absolutely.

Curry-Klay-Iggy-Lee-Bogut wipes the floor with them. They can go small with even more shooting too with Draymond for Lee. Throw in Livingston off the bench. Yeah, I think Warriors in 6.
So assuming health is a negative when discussing Anderson Varejao, but not Andrew Bogut, David Lee and Stephen Curry... hmm

Also, best player in the series usually wins the series. LeBron James would win that (hypothetical) series.
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So assuming health is a negative when discussing Anderson Varejao, but not Andrew Bogut, David Lee and Stephen Curry... hmm

Also, best player in the series usually wins the series. LeBron James would win that (hypothetical) series.
Look, we said assuming health. It's not like Kyrie is a dynamo either. If you feel you can somehow predict when/if these guys will be injured, be my guest.

And the best player usually wins the series is overblown. As a rule, yeah, the best player generally will win the series for many logical reasons. However, role players and scheme swing things more than ever now. The Spurs won it all, obviously. They didn't have the best player in at least 2 of those series.

Also, not all cut and dry examples, but:

- Washington beat Chicago (Noah best player in series)
- Brooklyn beat Toronto (Lowry best player in series)
- Portland beat Houston (Harden / Dwight)

That's 5 instances out of 15 total series.
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I swear to ******* God if you guys start sucking off Anderson ******* Varajeo again I'm gonna lose my ****.

He sucks. He always sucked. Now LeBron is back and he'll look decent again the same way all of those ****** players in Miami looked decent with LeBron passing them the ball.

Varajeo sucks. Stop it. Enough. I don't want to hear that **** this year. He ******* sucks.
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Varejao is a legit double double guy (most of the time) who can play rock solid team defense and passes rather well. No idea how he sucks, exactly.
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I swear to ******* God if you guys start sucking off Anderson ******* Varajeo again I'm gonna lose my ****.

He sucks. He always sucked. Now LeBron is back and he'll look decent again the same way all of those ****** players in Miami looked decent with LeBron passing them the ball.

Varajeo sucks. Stop it. Enough. I don't want to hear that **** this year. He ******* sucks.
Anderson Varejao is a glorified version of "hustle" players. He doesn't do anything significant, he just takes up space and does it without being lazy.
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I heard that Sylvester Stallone wrote The Expendables with The Alex in mind. He had to keep it realistic though and split The Alex's abilities into multiple characters. Stallone thought that critics would pan it for being too far-fetched if he just had one character effing everyone up.
The end. Cut to black. Audience goes ****ing ape****.
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Anderson Varejao is a glorified version of "hustle" players. He doesn't do anything significant, he just takes up space and does it without being lazy.
He rebounds very well, that's quite significant actually. He averaged 14/14 (only 25 games but still) two seasons ago for god sakes. You act like he's Lou Amundson.
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The point isn't about him really. He's just their only big man currently so if he gets hurt they'd be significantly worse. If they got bird man or something he wouldn't matter as much.

And a glorified hustle player at c complements the team they have absoultely perfectly. That was the point of mentioning him and I think he puts them over the edge from competing with Chicago to competing with the best of the west.

The Cavs are going to be good because of The other players obviously, but he's a key role player at their thinnest position. His health separates them from those mid tier west teams, which was the original discussion and the only reason his name came up.
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Rebounding and interior defense are important and Varejao is good at both, therefore he is a useful player. It's not that complicated, I have no idea why we have this argument so often.
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