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Old 07-30-2014, 03:21 PM    (permalink
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More useful than any Miami bigs outside of Bosh.. but Bosh never played big and still doesn't.
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guys Lebron alone is a reason to put the Cavs ahead of most of the West, it's not a huge stretch of an argument gpngc is putting out there. You could literally take the most pessimistic view possible of every other player on the roster...

Wiggins, raw and hasn't proven jack
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Varejao ranges between hustle player and impactful role player with injury concerns
Waiters lawl volume scorers are worthless
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...and that's still a fantastic team because of lebron freaking james.
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Something that comahan pointed out to me about Varejao that becomes interesting with the addition of LeBron - he's sneakily become a very good midrange shooter. He stinks around the rim but get him out of the paint to create space ifor LeBron and let him knock down mid-range shots like a poor-man's 2012 Bosh.

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guys Lebron alone is a reason to put the Cavs ahead of most of the West, it's not a huge stretch of an argument gpngc is putting out there. You could literally take the most pessimistic view possible of every other player on the roster...

Wiggins, raw and hasn't proven jack
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...and that's still a fantastic team because of lebron freaking james.
Not sure I'd factor Wiggins in. He's most likely gone.
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I've never understood what people don't like about Varejao
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Big-time flopper, big-time whiner, is not particularly skilled, and has an annoying Sideshow Bob face.
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Big-time flopper, big-time whiner, is not particularly skilled, and has an annoying Sideshow Bob face.
It's amazing how easily people forget about the flopping. Playoff flopping is so damn annoying, and Varejao made Vlade Divac look like Keanu Reeves.
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Come on now Metsox. Vlade Divac is the Marlon Brando of flopping.
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"I have to make adjustments," Waiters said. "I like to have the ball and we have Kyrie, and he likes to have the ball. So I have to find ways to impact the game without having the ball. I'm planning to go watch tape to see what D-Wade did when he played with LeBron. I need to learn how to be effective out there with him."
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Hw does have similarities to Wade. Needs to lose some weight.
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The question was why don't people like Varejao and being a big flopper and a big whiner clearly causes players to be disliked, dummy.
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Bosh signed his 5/118 deal weeeeeeeee.
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Lettuce talk about DJ Shockley.
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DJ Shockley was a beast. I used to use him to run around and throw lobs at Leonard Pope.
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my grandpa used to call Jeremy Shockey "Shockley" and I couldn't even tell him who DJ Shockley was. Same with calling Richard Jefferson "Richardson".
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I think he has more adjusting to do than anyone. People forget that for all of the drama last year, these are 22 year old guys here trying to be 'leaders' of men. LeBron James totally changes the culture of that team, imo. LeBron is the best leader of men since Magic Johnson.

The only question I have with the Love trade is what do you do with Tristan Thompson? Ideally you play Love 36-38 minutes. Even with small-ball lineups with Love at the C, I don't know how well Thompson can space the floor to get optimal spacing for James. He still can't figure out which hand to shoot with for ****'s sake.
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I think he has more adjusting to do than anyone. People forget that for all of the drama last year, these are 22 year old guys here trying to be 'leaders' of men. LeBron James totally changes the culture of that team, imo. LeBron is the best leader of men since Magic Johnson.

The only question I have with the Love trade is what do you do with Tristan Thompson? Ideally you play Love 36-38 minutes. Even with small-ball lineups with Love at the C, I don't know how well Thompson can space the floor to get optimal spacing for James. He still can't figure out which hand to shoot with for ****'s sake.
Who care about TT? He can just give you some solid bench minutes. He's the definition of average and basically is what he is at this point. Love would play PF and Varejao would be at C. With Love and Kyrie on the floor, spacing is not at all an issue for them anyway.
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I think he has more adjusting to do than anyone. People forget that for all of the drama last year, these are 22 year old guys here trying to be 'leaders' of men. LeBron James totally changes the culture of that team, imo. LeBron is the best leader of men since Magic Johnson.

The only question I have with the Love trade is what do you do with Tristan Thompson? Ideally you play Love 36-38 minutes. Even with small-ball lineups with Love at the C, I don't know how well Thompson can space the floor to get optimal spacing for James. He still can't figure out which hand to shoot with for ****'s sake.
Yeah, there are huge maturity jumps as you get further into your 20s. Who I was at 22 compared to 23 and 24 are just not even in the same world.
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Who care about TT? He can just give you some solid bench minutes. He's the definition of average and basically is what he is at this point. Love would play PF and Varejao would be at C. With Love and Kyrie on the floor, spacing is not at all an issue for them anyway.
I'd rather have (as long as my opponent doesn't have an elite C, and there are like 3 of 'em) my small ball lineup:

G - Kyrie Irving
G - Dion Waiters
F - Mike Miller
F - LeBron James
C - Kevin Love

Put LeBron in the post, Waiters lurking for cuts, Irving, Miller and Love swinging the ball looking for the open shot.
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I'd rather have (as long as my opponent doesn't have an elite C, and there are like 3 of 'em) my small ball lineup:

G - Kyrie Irving
G - Dion Waiters
F - Mike Miller
F - LeBron James
C - Kevin Love

Put LeBron in the post, Waiters lurking for cuts, Irving, Miller and Love swinging the ball looking for the open shot.
That lineup would be a disaster defensively tho.
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Unless Waiters completely revamps his game, he's best served as a ball handler in staggered rotations where he's playing with reserves. Every team needs a ball handler with the ability to create points with their second unit. Playing primarily with a unit where he's the fourth option is a waste of his ability.
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Kevin Love joining the Cavaliers appears to be imminent, according to ESPN.
We still don't know exactly what the Cavs will give to acquire Love, but the fact that sources are calling a trade a "when, not if" situation points to Love joining the Cavs at some point. Cleveland appears to be the only team the Wolves are talking to about a Love trade, and chances are that Andrew Wiggins is involved, along with Anthony Bennett. But regardless of what names are involved in a potential trade, it does sound like the Cavs will have Kyrie Irving, LeBron James and Kevin Love on the court together at some point this season. If a deal does go down, it's not likely to happen officially until 30 days have passed from the day Wiggins was signed by the Cavs (July 24).
Source: ESPN.com Jul 30 - 11:06 PM
Wow.

My guess is a three-teamer with Philly.
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