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Old 04-24-2008, 11:39 PM    (permalink
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Well regardless of defense, Kobe is amazing. lol I give Paul his due whenever I get the chance to. A couple pages back I stated that I would be totally cool if he won the MVP award over Kobe because I couldn't find an argument why he shouldn't win it.
I agree....I was just stating that you can't really say one is better than the other....when I said he wasn't I was just being a kobe homer...Paul is playing some of the best basketball I've seen in the past couple of years...
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Paul is showing so much so early he can only get better, hes proved me that hes the best PG in the game right now, before i had was in between him and duron
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1. Paul
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You gotta be freakin kidding me man.

You go up by 7 and you let them hit back to back 3's?
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1. Kobe
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I just saw this thought it was awesome, just because it has Nash, Stat & Bell

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jesus. i hate when somebody plays well during a stretch of time and people wanna jump the bandwagon. its the same thing with dwade people were sweating his dick, saying hes so much better than lebron, hes the next jordan. whoever said paul is better than kobe is kinda ********. paul isnt above kobe or lebron, those two have done it longer, just because the mavs are the slowest team in history and the young hornets can just run them up and down the floor doesnt mean hes already a top two player. i hate **** like that
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Yeah, sorry. Paul may be the MVP of the league, but he's certainly not the league's best player, and it's arguable whether he's even in the top five.
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jesus. i hate when somebody plays well during a stretch of time and people wanna jump the bandwagon. its the same thing with dwade people were sweating his dick, saying hes so much better than lebron, hes the next jordan. whoever said paul is better than kobe is kinda ********. paul isnt above kobe or lebron, those two have done it longer, just because the mavs are the slowest team in history and the young hornets can just run them up and down the floor doesnt mean hes already a top two player. i hate **** like that
I agree. He has not done anything to be mentioned better than LeBron. LeBron has been great for years and is still getting better.
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I agree with DChess. The 2 best players in the NBA are LeBron and Kobe. I have it in that order, but certainly I can buy other people having Kobe on top. It's like Peyton and Brady.
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i agree that paul isnt better than kobe and lebron but u cant say hes not playing great
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I just want to know when the MVP is announced...??
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I agree with DChess. The 2 best players in the NBA are LeBron and Kobe. I have it in that order, but certainly I can buy other people having Kobe on top. It's like Peyton and Brady.
I compare it more to Vick (LeBron)/ Manning (Kobe) before Manning had the title. People thought Vick was better, but in actuality Vick was just more hyped and was a small step below IMO.
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Who in their ******* right mind would think Vick is better than Manning?
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Who in their ******* right mind would think Vick is better than Manning?
People thought that when Vick ran for 1000+
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Chris Paul is having an amazing year....no one will dispute that...

but Kobe is hands down the best player in the NBA...he scores at will, gets to the basket at will, doesn't have to score to dominate the game...has become one of the best passers in the game...can also rebound with the best of them...

I believe the MVP will go to Kobe but Paul's coming out party this season will open everyone's eyes and allow Paul a biased opinion come next year...in which he would deserve...
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Chris Paul is having an amazing year....no one will dispute that...

but Kobe is hands down the best player in the NBA...he scores at will, gets to the basket at will, doesn't have to score to dominate the game...has become one of the best passers in the game...can also rebound with the best of them...

I believe the MVP will go to Kobe but Paul's coming out party this season will open everyone's eyes and allow Paul a biased opinion come next year...in which he would deserve...
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Aren't you the clever one. He's just stating his opinion and actually backs it up with why thinks that. What's wrong with that?
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jesus. i hate when somebody plays well during a stretch of time and people wanna jump the bandwagon. its the same thing with dwade people were sweating his dick, saying hes so much better than lebron, hes the next jordan. whoever said paul is better than kobe is kinda ********. paul isnt above kobe or lebron, those two have done it longer, just because the mavs are the slowest team in history and the young hornets can just run them up and down the floor doesnt mean hes already a top two player. i hate **** like that
That was me and it's for the REAL MVP. I don't go by the NBA's formula of the MPP Most Popular Player + Most Outstanding Player combination.

Chris Paul is the Most Valuable Player in the NBA right now to his team's success and nobody can tell me otherwise.

Don't know where you've been but Chris Paul has been killing **** all year. Plus his team is better than the Cavs, Kobe Bryant is the only guy in the discussion in my opinion. The LeBrons had 45 wins in the east! That's not even that good! They'd be 5 games out of the playoffs in the West with that record and IF they played in the west they may only have 40 wins cause of the strength of schedule.

I got no problem with Kobe winning the MVP cause he's 29 and it's due, but Chris Paul is truly the most valuable to his team right now, and that matters a lot more than how valuable LeBron is to the Cavs cause once again they had 45 wins and they ain't gonna do **** in the playoffs.
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Aren't you the clever one. He's just stating his opinion and actually backs it up with why thinks that. What's wrong with that?
Because that is his only post he ever makes in this thread.

I just made him template.

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It's Kobe and LeBron, 1 and 2. Not in that order specifically. Neither is far above the other. As far as top players in the league, I'd go

1a. Kobe
1b. LeBron
3. Chris Paul
4. KG
5. Tim Duncan

With the top two inter-changable and the bottom 3 in the same tier as well.
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That was me and it's for the REAL MVP. I don't go by the NBA's formula of the MPP Most Popular Player + Most Outstanding Player combination.

Chris Paul is the Most Valuable Player in the NBA right now to his team's success and nobody can tell me otherwise.

Don't know where you've been but Chris Paul has been killing **** all year. Plus his team is better than the Cavs, Kobe Bryant is the only guy in the discussion in my opinion. The LeBrons had 45 wins in the east! That's not even that good! They'd be 5 games out of the playoffs in the West with that record and IF they played in the west they may only have 40 wins cause of the strength of schedule.

I got no problem with Kobe winning the MVP cause he's 29 and it's due, but Chris Paul is truly the most valuable to his team right now, and that matters a lot more than how valuable LeBron is to the Cavs cause once again they had 45 wins and they ain't gonna do **** in the playoffs.
It'd be hard to argue against Chris Paul having the better team, but people make way too much light of the talent he has. David West is a good shooter, can drive, can post up and has a complete game. Tyson Chandler is an inside presence and plays well off the pick and roll. Peja Stojakavic is a brilliant shooter and if you leave him open, it's in. LeBron has none of those, except arguably the inside presence in Z. After Z, the 3rd leading scorer on the current Cavs roster is a BENCH player. Daniel Gibson, who's really the only one who's been a consistent shooter. There were only 3 players on the team besides LeBron who averaged in double figures, 2 of those were at 10.3 and 10.4. Noone besides LeBron scored above 15 ppg. 2 of the players who are big in the Cavs lineup, Ben Wallace and Anderson Vaerjao, are notoriously bad offensive players.

What did the Hornets have? Another 20 ppg man in David West, Peja, who as the 3rd leading scorer for the Hornets scored more than the 2nd leading scorer for the Cavs in 16.4 PPG. Tyson Chandler, as the 4th scorer, scored more ppg than the 3rd leading scorer for the Cavs at 11.8 ppg.

And the biggest thing of all, Paul had the 2nd and 3rd options that LeBron didn't. David West is arguably an all-star caliber player, there's noone even close to that on the Cavs. Peja is one of the best shooters in the NBA, the Cavs don't have that.

Can you argue that if you put LeBron on the Hornets, that they aren't as good? Yes, you can. And you can make the same argument for putting Paul on the Cavs. Point is, without Paul, they probably wouldn't make the playoffs, would be fighting for that 8th spot if anything. But without LeBron, the Cavs are probably the worst team in the league.

In terms of value to their team, I'd lean LeBron. But I really don't think there's a way you can say it isn't close.
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I really am flattered that you care so much about what I post....

but if I'm a fan of the Lakers and they are playing...and this is the NBA forum....where am I in the wrong...

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but if I'm a fan of the Lakers and they are playing...and this is the NBA forum....where am I in the wrong...

you're obsession with me is not very flattering...
I'm obsessed with you too. But I just keep dirty pictures hidden in my desk, instead of calling you out on the internet.

Anyway, if the Nuggets are gonna take a game in this series, it will be game 3. Shut em down and let's move on to Utah/Houston. A couple of my buddies are huge Jazz fans, so I'd love to see that series.
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